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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 11:50:04 AM   
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year

You hit the nail on the head.


How do you figure we need to rebuild WR? We have Thielen and Bisi plus Hollins. One to two Draft Picks after the 2nd round maybe....


Bisi showed some flashes, also often looked like a 4th WR. 31/294/3 is not inspiring - especially when he spent a decent part of the year as the 2nd guy.

Hollins was an undrafted rookie that caught 2 passes.

We're beyond paper thin at WR. Our only proven guy will be 30 when the season starts and is coming off an injury plagued season.

Those who think we have any NFL starter quality WRs other than Thielen are smoking something really good. Thielen came up with the big catch against the Saints, but he was mostly not himself after returning from injury.

We are fine at WR for the new system and mantra being implemented for this year. Passing further than ten yards down field will be done only when necessary or team luled into stacking the box blows deeper coverage.

Most WR assignments will be heavy on downfield blocking assignments to blow open longer runs for RB and screens, lots of draw plays and dump offs in backfield. Lean heavily on TE and possession receivers with methodical time of possession drive or quick Run, Run, inc Pass for three and out...

We need to add a stout possession WR with blocking skills and ability for some YAC, the sort of weapon we were supposed to get out of Treadbust...

Diggs was a luxury the current system would have used sparingly and mostly as running decoy routes to drag defenders deeper. He knew it and wanted no part of where the Vikes were headed with this all.

Weren't we like Top 10 or higher in Yards per Attempt?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 11:54:29 AM   
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year

You hit the nail on the head.


How do you figure we need to rebuild WR? We have Thielen and Bisi plus Hollins. One to two Draft Picks after the 2nd round maybe....


Bisi showed some flashes, also often looked like a 4th WR. 31/294/3 is not inspiring - especially when he spent a decent part of the year as the 2nd guy.

Hollins was an undrafted rookie that caught 2 passes.

We're beyond paper thin at WR. Our only proven guy will be 30 when the season starts and is coming off an injury plagued season.

Those who think we have any NFL starter quality WRs other than Thielen are smoking something really good. Thielen came up with the big catch against the Saints, but he was mostly not himself after returning from injury.

We are fine at WR for the new system and mantra being implemented for this year. Passing further than ten yards down field will be done only when necessary or team luled into stacking the box blows deeper coverage.

Most WR assignments will be heavy on downfield blocking assignments to blow open longer runs for RB and screens, lots of draw plays and dump offs in backfield. Lean heavily on TE and possession receivers with methodical time of possession drive or quick Run, Run, inc Pass for three and out...

We need to add a stout possession WR with blocking skills and ability for some YAC, the sort of weapon we were supposed to get out of Treadbust...

Diggs was a luxury the current system would have used sparingly and mostly as running decoy routes to drag defenders deeper. He knew it and wanted no part of where the Vikes were headed with this all.


I am thinking more along the lines of Justin Jefferson, Tyler Johnson, and Adam Thielen....3 good blockers for WR and good WRs also.

We need a burner if he can block or not.

Draft: Ruggs, Reagor, Hamler, Mims, Watkins

FA: Sanders, P. Richardson
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 12:06:14 PM   
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year

You hit the nail on the head.


How do you figure we need to rebuild WR? We have Thielen and Bisi plus Hollins. One to two Draft Picks after the 2nd round maybe....


Bisi showed some flashes, also often looked like a 4th WR. 31/294/3 is not inspiring - especially when he spent a decent part of the year as the 2nd guy.

Hollins was an undrafted rookie that caught 2 passes.

We're beyond paper thin at WR. Our only proven guy will be 30 when the season starts and is coming off an injury plagued season.

Those who think we have any NFL starter quality WRs other than Thielen are smoking something really good. Thielen came up with the big catch against the Saints, but he was mostly not himself after returning from injury.

We are fine at WR for the new system and mantra being implemented for this year. Passing further than ten yards down field will be done only when necessary or team luled into stacking the box blows deeper coverage.

Most WR assignments will be heavy on downfield blocking assignments to blow open longer runs for RB and screens, lots of draw plays and dump offs in backfield. Lean heavily on TE and possession receivers with methodical time of possession drive or quick Run, Run, inc Pass for three and out...

We need to add a stout possession WR with blocking skills and ability for some YAC, the sort of weapon we were supposed to get out of Treadbust...

Diggs was a luxury the current system would have used sparingly and mostly as running decoy routes to drag defenders deeper. He knew it and wanted no part of where the Vikes were headed with this all.


Weren't we like Top 10 or higher in Yards per Attempt?


The past couple years we were a split personality O with several visions of what was desired. Flip and Stef wanted a more wide open traditional down field threat with WRs gameplan that fit todays NFL preferences... Zimmer has had a differing vision, and is why he brought in Kubiak to babysit Stef... We saw that vision in the begining of last season when it was teamed "that 70's offense" only after beat downs by a couple division rivals did we allow Stefanski to open it up and go more with his visions, mostly to get Diggs and probably others to stop sulking with their roles.

Well this year is Zimmers last stand... his last chance to show he deserves a extention as a HC and that his visions will win games and get us to SB victory. The moves that are being made reinforce that mantra and you might as well be prepared to watch a lot of gameplans like what we started off 2019 running on O.

Biggest problem I see is Zimm is delusional if he thinks he can lean on his D like in past to keep scores low and do just enough on O to win games. Same with Kubiak and his system that took advantage of top rated D run by Phillips in Denver when he won the big game with a broken down but smart field general in Manning.

As I posted in previous page, we are not that Denver team so saying we can plug in Kubiaks formula and be fine is misguided at best. We will win games but our schedule is not a cake walk this year and we have big holes on both O and D to fill through rooks from the draft. LOTS of unknowns...

Could be a long year, or even worse, this year gets canceled and we are in limbo with this staff and system...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 12:09:25 PM   
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year

You hit the nail on the head.


How do you figure we need to rebuild WR? We have Thielen and Bisi plus Hollins. One to two Draft Picks after the 2nd round maybe....


Bisi showed some flashes, also often looked like a 4th WR. 31/294/3 is not inspiring - especially when he spent a decent part of the year as the 2nd guy.

Hollins was an undrafted rookie that caught 2 passes.

We're beyond paper thin at WR. Our only proven guy will be 30 when the season starts and is coming off an injury plagued season.

Those who think we have any NFL starter quality WRs other than Thielen are smoking something really good. Thielen came up with the big catch against the Saints, but he was mostly not himself after returning from injury.

We are fine at WR for the new system and mantra being implemented for this year. Passing further than ten yards down field will be done only when necessary or team luled into stacking the box blows deeper coverage.

Most WR assignments will be heavy on downfield blocking assignments to blow open longer runs for RB and screens, lots of draw plays and dump offs in backfield. Lean heavily on TE and possession receivers with methodical time of possession drive or quick Run, Run, inc Pass for three and out...

We need to add a stout possession WR with blocking skills and ability for some YAC, the sort of weapon we were supposed to get out of Treadbust...

Diggs was a luxury the current system would have used sparingly and mostly as running decoy routes to drag defenders deeper. He knew it and wanted no part of where the Vikes were headed with this all.


"Used sparingly?"
That ignores the fact Diggs had the best year of his career last year.
He also had a ridiculous yards per catch.
I get that you don't like the move... I'm bummed too... but that's just making stuff up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 12:17:11 PM   
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year

You hit the nail on the head.


How do you figure we need to rebuild WR? We have Thielen and Bisi plus Hollins. One to two Draft Picks after the 2nd round maybe....


Bisi showed some flashes, also often looked like a 4th WR. 31/294/3 is not inspiring - especially when he spent a decent part of the year as the 2nd guy.

Hollins was an undrafted rookie that caught 2 passes.

We're beyond paper thin at WR. Our only proven guy will be 30 when the season starts and is coming off an injury plagued season.

Those who think we have any NFL starter quality WRs other than Thielen are smoking something really good. Thielen came up with the big catch against the Saints, but he was mostly not himself after returning from injury.

We are fine at WR for the new system and mantra being implemented for this year. Passing further than ten yards down field will be done only when necessary or team luled into stacking the box blows deeper coverage.

Most WR assignments will be heavy on downfield blocking assignments to blow open longer runs for RB and screens, lots of draw plays and dump offs in backfield. Lean heavily on TE and possession receivers with methodical time of possession drive or quick Run, Run, inc Pass for three and out...

We need to add a stout possession WR with blocking skills and ability for some YAC, the sort of weapon we were supposed to get out of Treadbust...

Diggs was a luxury the current system would have used sparingly and mostly as running decoy routes to drag defenders deeper. He knew it and wanted no part of where the Vikes were headed with this all.


They kind of ignores the fact Diggs had the best year of his career last year.
He also had a ridiculous yards per catch.
I get that you don't like the move... I'm bummed too... but that's just making stuff up.

Making stuff up? Well, not really, its more like projecting what this years offense will mirror...

Yes Diggs had good numbers last year, Im predicting that was in good part to the Stefanski influence after we opened things up... Well now we are back to the Zimmer mantra and known tendencies of a gameplan run by Kubiak.

Sure I could be totally off base, maybe we will draft a burner WR with mad ball skills and he will be the next Randy Moss and we will be bombs away all year like its 1998...

The betting line though much closely hovers around a ball control plodding O heavy on play action off the run game as we opened last year with... Its the known Kubiak scheme and system...

Im betting on reruns of "That 70's Offense"...

But totally totally get others wishful thinking on where this team is headed for 2020.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 12:22:31 PM   
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Making stuff up? Well, not really, its more like projecting what this years offense will mirror...

Yes Diggs had good numbers last year, Im predicting that was in good part to the Stefanski influence after we opened things up... Well now we are back to the Zimmer mantra and known tendencies of a gameplan run by Kubiak.

Sure I could be totally off base, maybe we will draft a burned WR and he will be the next Randy Moss and we will be bombs away all year like its 1998...

The betting line though much closely hoverz around a ball control plodding O heavy on play action off the run game as we opened last year with...

Im betting on reruns of "That 70's Offense"...

But totally totally get others wishful thininking on where this team is headed for 2020.

You are being hyperbolic. Yes you are totally off base. The Vikings will do their best to find the perfect mix of passing and rushing. Unless a team has an unstoppable unit at one or the other that is what every team should do. The Vikings passed a bit less than average last year and I'm perfectly OK with that. We did have a couple games where we seemed to ignore the pass and we figured out that wasn't the right way to go.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 12:55:07 PM   
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/17/report-panthers-close-to-deal-with-teddy-bridgewater/

3 years / nearly 60 M

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 1:10:52 PM   
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The Minnesota Vikings backtracked on their own words by agreeing to trade star wide receiver Stefon Diggs this week, and it appears they're committed to further building around the ground game, which became their bread and butter in 2019.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/vikings-expected-to-extend-dalvin-cook-soon-as-sides-talk-new-contract-per-report/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 1:18:38 PM   
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The Minnesota Vikings backtracked on their own words by agreeing to trade star wide receiver Stefon Diggs this week, and it appears they're committed to further building around the ground game, which became their bread and butter in 2019.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/vikings-expected-to-extend-dalvin-cook-soon-as-sides-talk-new-contract-per-report/

RBs can take a turn for the worse very quickly. Look what happened to David Johnson. LMAO the big prize that Houston got in the Hopkins trade. However, I think Cook is still very good and it could be OK to extend him if the price is reasonable. If the price isn't reasonable I think Mattison is ready, willing and able to be a featured back.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 1:21:18 PM   
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/17/report-panthers-close-to-deal-with-teddy-bridgewater/

3 years / nearly 60 M

Hurray for Teddy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 1:37:37 PM   
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year

You hit the nail on the head.


Cant argue that at this time, this team got weaker because of this move, but I prefer to wait and see how it all shakes out before declaring it a poor move. I can't even imagine how the locker room would have been had Diggs stayed after the antics he showed these past couple of weeks. He had to go, no question, he made it crystal clear he wanted out, Rick had to get the best he could and I'm glad he got want he got.

We will see how it shakes out, but good things can happen without Diggs on the team, lets not forget, he had a number of drops in the past couple years and fumbles. He is good, but his attitude makes him drop down the top receiver list.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 2:19:05 PM   
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year

You hit the nail on the head.


Cant argue that at this time, this team got weaker because of this move, but I prefer to wait and see how it all shakes out before declaring it a poor move. I can't even imagine how the locker room would have been had Diggs stayed after the antics he showed these past couple of weeks. He had to go, no question, he made it crystal clear he wanted out, Rick had to get the best he could and I'm glad he got want he got.

We will see how it shakes out, but good things can happen without Diggs on the team, lets not forget, he had a number of drops in the past couple years and fumbles. He is good, but his attitude makes him drop down the top receiver list.

With or without Diggs, OL play and restocking the defense are most likely going to drive the success or failure of this season – compared to last year.

Thielen is a stud. You do not need two top ten WRs to generate an effective passing game that is set up off of the run game.

As you stated, its not like we gambled on trading an asset ... we traded an asset out of necessity. We'll move forward.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 2:20:15 PM   
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/17/report-panthers-close-to-deal-with-teddy-bridgewater/

3 years / nearly 60 M

Hurray for Teddy.

Prefer that to Chicago.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 2:43:05 PM   
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One young fan in Buffalo was pretty happy that the Bills traded for Diggs.

https://twitter.com/primearraez/status/1239994292912914435?s=20

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 2:45:50 PM   
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year

You hit the nail on the head.


Cant argue that at this time, this team got weaker because of this move, but I prefer to wait and see how it all shakes out before declaring it a poor move. I can't even imagine how the locker room would have been had Diggs stayed after the antics he showed these past couple of weeks. He had to go, no question, he made it crystal clear he wanted out, Rick had to get the best he could and I'm glad he got want he got.

We will see how it shakes out, but good things can happen without Diggs on the team, lets not forget, he had a number of drops in the past couple years and fumbles. He is good, but his attitude makes him drop down the top receiver list.

With or without Diggs, OL play and restocking the defense are most likely going to drive the success or failure of this season – compared to last year.

Thielen is a stud. You do not need two top ten WRs to generate an effective passing game that is set up off of the run game.

As you stated, its not like we gambled on trading an asset ... we traded an asset out of necessity. We'll move forward.


That is true.

But you better have at least 2 starting caliber WRs. Its obviously early, but right now our passing game looks like it will hurt the running game more than be built off of it.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 3:28:30 PM   
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year

You hit the nail on the head.


Cant argue that at this time, this team got weaker because of this move, but I prefer to wait and see how it all shakes out before declaring it a poor move. I can't even imagine how the locker room would have been had Diggs stayed after the antics he showed these past couple of weeks. He had to go, no question, he made it crystal clear he wanted out, Rick had to get the best he could and I'm glad he got want he got.

We will see how it shakes out, but good things can happen without Diggs on the team, lets not forget, he had a number of drops in the past couple years and fumbles. He is good, but his attitude makes him drop down the top receiver list.

With or without Diggs, OL play and restocking the defense are most likely going to drive the success or failure of this season – compared to last year.

Thielen is a stud. You do not need two top ten WRs to generate an effective passing game that is set up off of the run game.

As you stated, its not like we gambled on trading an asset ... we traded an asset out of necessity. We'll move forward.


That is true.

But you better have at least 2 starting caliber WRs. Its obviously early, but right now our passing game looks like it will hurt the running game more than be built off of it.

Thielen might not be a stud anymore. He never looked right coming back from injury last year. After Thielen we have nothing. Getting a #2 WR right now is just as important as improving the OL.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 4:46:18 PM   
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https://www.nbcsports.com/video/did-buffalo-bills-give-too-much-stefon-diggs-acquisition?ls=pftvod
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 4:54:52 PM   
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/17/bengals-agree-to-terms-on-three-year-42-million-deal-with-trae-waynes/


Waynes will sign a three-year, $42 million deal with the Bengals, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports. The contract includes $20 million in the first year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 4:55:27 PM   
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Waynes gets 3 yrs/42M from Bengals.

Guessing we get a 3rd round comp (of course depending on who we sign).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 6:24:48 PM   
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That’s good money for a guy who can’t track a ball. He’s great against the run, though.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 6:31:16 PM   
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year

You hit the nail on the head.


Cant argue that at this time, this team got weaker because of this move, but I prefer to wait and see how it all shakes out before declaring it a poor move. I can't even imagine how the locker room would have been had Diggs stayed after the antics he showed these past couple of weeks. He had to go, no question, he made it crystal clear he wanted out, Rick had to get the best he could and I'm glad he got want he got.

We will see how it shakes out, but good things can happen without Diggs on the team, lets not forget, he had a number of drops in the past couple years and fumbles. He is good, but his attitude makes him drop down the top receiver list.

With or without Diggs, OL play and restocking the defense are most likely going to drive the success or failure of this season – compared to last year.

Thielen is a stud. You do not need two top ten WRs to generate an effective passing game that is set up off of the run game.

As you stated, its not like we gambled on trading an asset ... we traded an asset out of necessity. We'll move forward.


That is true.

But you better have at least 2 starting caliber WRs. Its obviously early, but right now our passing game looks like it will hurt the running game more than be built off of it.

I absolutely agree, its too early to say. That we'll be fine, or in my opinion, that all we have is Thielen.

Well ... let me restate that, you can say all we have is Thielen but why bother ... what we have right now has little to do with the WR position that we'll take into the season. It just isn't.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 6:31:53 PM   
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Does anyone see O' Neill shifting to LT? I know there was talk of it before.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 6:44:42 PM   
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year

You hit the nail on the head.


Cant argue that at this time, this team got weaker because of this move, but I prefer to wait and see how it all shakes out before declaring it a poor move. I can't even imagine how the locker room would have been had Diggs stayed after the antics he showed these past couple of weeks. He had to go, no question, he made it crystal clear he wanted out, Rick had to get the best he could and I'm glad he got want he got.

We will see how it shakes out, but good things can happen without Diggs on the team, lets not forget, he had a number of drops in the past couple years and fumbles. He is good, but his attitude makes him drop down the top receiver list.

With or without Diggs, OL play and restocking the defense are most likely going to drive the success or failure of this season – compared to last year.

Thielen is a stud. You do not need two top ten WRs to generate an effective passing game that is set up off of the run game.

As you stated, its not like we gambled on trading an asset ... we traded an asset out of necessity. We'll move forward.


That is true.

But you better have at least 2 starting caliber WRs. Its obviously early, but right now our passing game looks like it will hurt the running game more than be built off of it.

I absolutely agree, its too early to say. That we'll be fine, or in my opinion, that all we have is Thielen.

Well ... let me restate that, you can say all we have is Thielen but why bother ... what we have right now has little to do with the WR position that we'll take into the season. It just isn't.


That is definitely hopeful thinking.

I just worry because we've been awful at targeting WRs under Spielman when we really need them - in the draft, free agency or trade.

Diggs and Thelen were amazing finds, but when you get them in the 5th round and undrafted, that screams luck more than anything. If he knew they'd be anywhere near as good as they are, we'd have taken them much sooner.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 7:07:53 PM   
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Does anyone see O' Neill shifting to LT? I know there was talk of it before.



I think it depends on how we view our in-house options, FA, and draft.

I believe it to be a viable option.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/17/2020 7:21:35 PM   
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year

You hit the nail on the head.


Cant argue that at this time, this team got weaker because of this move, but I prefer to wait and see how it all shakes out before declaring it a poor move. I can't even imagine how the locker room would have been had Diggs stayed after the antics he showed these past couple of weeks. He had to go, no question, he made it crystal clear he wanted out, Rick had to get the best he could and I'm glad he got want he got.

We will see how it shakes out, but good things can happen without Diggs on the team, lets not forget, he had a number of drops in the past couple years and fumbles. He is good, but his attitude makes him drop down the top receiver list.

With or without Diggs, OL play and restocking the defense are most likely going to drive the success or failure of this season – compared to last year.

Thielen is a stud. You do not need two top ten WRs to generate an effective passing game that is set up off of the run game.

As you stated, its not like we gambled on trading an asset ... we traded an asset out of necessity. We'll move forward.


That is true.

But you better have at least 2 starting caliber WRs. Its obviously early, but right now our passing game looks like it will hurt the running game more than be built off of it.

I absolutely agree, its too early to say. That we'll be fine, or in my opinion, that all we have is Thielen.

Well ... let me restate that, you can say all we have is Thielen but why bother ... what we have right now has little to do with the WR position that we'll take into the season. It just isn't.


That is definitely hopeful thinking.

I just worry because we've been awful at targeting WRs under Spielman when we really need them - in the draft, free agency or trade.

Diggs and Thelen were amazing finds, but when you get them in the 5th round and undrafted, that screams luck more than anything. If he knew they'd be anywhere near as good as they are, we'd have taken them much sooner.

Do you really think we are going into next season with Thielen, Johnson, Beebe, Hollins, Davis? That's unrealistic IMO.

It's hopeful for me to expect something much MORE improved than that – I will give you that – because we just don't know who we will be adding to the mix.

As far as Spielman's track record ... yes, I agree and I stated yesterday that, to not convert some of the extra draft picks into veteran help (via trade / RFA tender etc) would be foolish, because all drafting is hit and miss and we are not in building mode - we are in sustaining what we had last year to improve this year mode.

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