quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Mixon Details:

Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal:
— $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020.
— $8M base in 2021.
— $8M in 2022.
— $9.4M in 2023.
— Club option for $9.6M in 2024.
— $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year.


We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted.

Not sure how that adds up to 48 million for four years

Mixon's deal?

10M Signing bonus
8M in 2021
8M in 2022
9.4M in 2023
9.6M in 2024
2M Playtime bonus
800K workout bonus
---------------------
47.8M

Seems close enough to call 48.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

I guess the best way to say it for me would anybody be happy if moments after our team was vanquished by the 49ers largely because our OLine got completely destroyed by the 9er DLine that our big move to improve this giant hole in the roster would be to move our worst OLineman to RG, and move his backup in to start at LG?

Pretty insane on its face...

Add in the fact that we invested heavily in a qb that requires protection to be successful.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

I guess the best way to say it for me would anybody be happy if moments after our team was vanquished by the 49ers largely because our OLine got completely destroyed by the 9er DLine that our big move to improve this giant hole in the roster would be to move our worst OLineman to RG, and move his backup in to start at LG?

Pretty insane on its face...

Add in the fact that we invested heavily in a qb that requires protection to be successful.

He was very successful last year. Did he get protection?

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Mixon Details:

Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal:
— $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020.
— $8M base in 2021.
— $8M in 2022.
— $9.4M in 2023.
— Club option for $9.6M in 2024.
— $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year.


We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted.

Not sure how that adds up to 48 million for four years

Mixon's deal?

10M Signing bonus
8M in 2021
8M in 2022
9.4M in 2023
9.6M in 2024
2M Playtime bonus
800K workout bonus
---------------------
47.8M

Seems close enough to call 48.

The numbers you provided might add up to 47.8. The numbers he was questioning didn't.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro
Clearly IOL is the weak link of this team. Our best IOLineman in Kline was cut and replaced with a career back up.
Upgrading Dozier or Elf seemed like the more prudent move necessary to improve the team vs upgrading Odinigbo.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro
Clearly IOL is the weak link of this team. Our best IOLineman in Kline was cut and replaced with a career back up.
Upgrading Dozier or Elf seemed like the more prudent move necessary to improve the team vs upgrading Odinigbo.

They hired Dennison and Kubiak to fix the problem....so it is still on them and they added pieces.....Elf, O'Neil, Samia, Cleveland, Bradbury, Udoh, etc.

Cut Elf and Gedeon and throw 3-4 million at a OG FA....still time if they don't have a fix now.

Again here is the 2015 Denver OLine that won the SB:
T Ryan Harris 30 8 16 Denver Broncos / 3rd / 70th pick / 2007
LG Evan Mathis 34 10 12 Carolina Panthers / 3rd / 79th pick / 2005
C Matt Paradis 26 1 16 Denver Broncos / 6th / 207th pick / 2014
RG Louis Vasquez 28 6 15 San Diego Chargers / 3rd / 78th pick / 2009
RT Michael Schofield 25 1 13 Denver Broncos / 3rd / 95th pick / 2014

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro
Clearly IOL is the weak link of this team. Our best IOLineman in Kline was cut and replaced with a career back up.
Upgrading Dozier or Elf seemed like the more prudent move necessary to improve the team vs upgrading Odinigbo.

They hired Dennison and Kubiak to fix the problem....so it is still on them and they added pieces.....Elf, O'Neil, Samia, Cleveland, Bradbury, Udoh, etc.

Cut Elf and Gedeon and throw 3-4 million at a OG FA....still time if they don't have a fix now.

Again here is the 2015 Denver OLine that won the SB:
T Ryan Harris 30 8 16 Denver Broncos / 3rd / 70th pick / 2007
LG Evan Mathis 34 10 12 Carolina Panthers / 3rd / 79th pick / 2005
C Matt Paradis 26 1 16 Denver Broncos / 6th / 207th pick / 2014
RG Louis Vasquez 28 6 15 San Diego Chargers / 3rd / 78th pick / 2009
RT Michael Schofield 25 1 13 Denver Broncos / 3rd / 95th pick / 2014

Clearly Spielman didn't have a hand in drafting that Denver oline.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Mixon Details:

Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal:
— $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020.
— $8M base in 2021.
— $8M in 2022.
— $9.4M in 2023.
— Club option for $9.6M in 2024.
— $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year.


We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted.

Not sure how that adds up to 48 million for four years

Mixon's deal?

10M Signing bonus
8M in 2021
8M in 2022
9.4M in 2023
9.6M in 2024
2M Playtime bonus
800K workout bonus
---------------------
47.8M

Seems close enough to call 48.

The numbers you provided might add up to 47.8. The numbers he was questioning didn't.

I was projecting what I would do for a Cook contract. Less base, more incentives. It's why I said "We'd" meaning the Vikings and implied a contract for Cook. We are also tighter against the cap and the contract would probably have to be backloaded more.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro
Clearly IOL is the weak link of this team. Our best IOLineman in Kline was cut and replaced with a career back up.
Upgrading Dozier or Elf seemed like the more prudent move necessary to improve the team vs upgrading Odinigbo.

They hired Dennison and Kubiak to fix the problem....so it is still on them and they added pieces.....Elf, O'Neil, Samia, Cleveland, Bradbury, Udoh, etc.

Cut Elf and Gedeon and throw 3-4 million at a OG FA....still time if they don't have a fix now.

Again here is the 2015 Denver OLine that won the SB:
T Ryan Harris 30 8 16 Denver Broncos / 3rd / 70th pick / 2007
LG Evan Mathis 34 10 12 Carolina Panthers / 3rd / 79th pick / 2005
C Matt Paradis 26 1 16 Denver Broncos / 6th / 207th pick / 2014
RG Louis Vasquez 28 6 15 San Diego Chargers / 3rd / 78th pick / 2009
RT Michael Schofield 25 1 13 Denver Broncos / 3rd / 95th pick / 2014

Clearly Spielman didn't have a hand in drafting that Denver oline.

If I tweeted it to him he would be drooling....nothing higher than a 3rd rounder.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Clearly IOL is the weak link of this team. Our best IOLineman in Kline was cut and replaced with a career back up.

Upgrading Dozier or Elf seemed like the more prudent move necessary to improve the team vs upgrading Odinigbo.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Mixon Details:

Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal:
— $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020.
— $8M base in 2021.
— $8M in 2022.
— $9.4M in 2023.
— Club option for $9.6M in 2024.
— $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year.


We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted.

Not sure how that adds up to 48 million for four years

Mixon's deal?

10M Signing bonus
8M in 2021
8M in 2022
9.4M in 2023
9.6M in 2024
2M Playtime bonus
800K workout bonus
---------------------
47.8M

Seems close enough to call 48.

The numbers you provided might add up to 47.8. The numbers he was questioning didn't.

I was projecting what I would do for a Cook contract. Less base, more incentives. It's why I said "We'd" meaning the Vikings and implied a contract for Cook. We are also tighter against the cap and the contract would probably have to be backloaded more.

I was looking at his pay for 20-23 since you were showing the 5th year as an option. I should have been looking at 21-24. That's where I got the disconnect between your numbers and DLs. My apologies to DL as his numbers were the same as yours except spread over 5 years not 4.

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Mixon Details:

Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal:
— $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020.
— $8M base in 2021.
— $8M in 2022.
— $9.4M in 2023.
— Club option for $9.6M in 2024.
— $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year.


We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted.

Not sure how that adds up to 48 million for four years

Mixon's deal?

10M Signing bonus
8M in 2021
8M in 2022
9.4M in 2023
9.6M in 2024
2M Playtime bonus
800K workout bonus
---------------------
47.8M

Seems close enough to call 48.

The numbers you provided might add up to 47.8. The numbers he was questioning didn't.

I was projecting what I would do for a Cook contract. Less base, more incentives. It's why I said "We'd" meaning the Vikings and implied a contract for Cook. We are also tighter against the cap and the contract would probably have to be backloaded more.

I was looking at his pay for 20-23 since you were showing the 5th year as an option. I should have been looking at 21-24. That's where I got the disconnect between your numbers and DLs. My apologies to DL as his numbers were the same as yours except spread over 5 years not 4.

11.3M of that money is not in years 21-24

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Can they block? No.

But people are underestimating how terrific our IOL has been getting at recovering fumbles.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Can they block? No.

But people are underestimating how terrific our IOL has been getting at recovering fumbles.

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Mixon Details:

Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal:
— $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020.
— $8M base in 2021.
— $8M in 2022.
— $9.4M in 2023.
— Club option for $9.6M in 2024.
— $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year.


We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted.

Not sure how that adds up to 48 million for four years

Mixon's deal?

10M Signing bonus
8M in 2021
8M in 2022
9.4M in 2023
9.6M in 2024
2M Playtime bonus
800K workout bonus
---------------------
47.8M

Seems close enough to call 48.

The numbers you provided might add up to 47.8. The numbers he was questioning didn't.

I was projecting what I would do for a Cook contract. Less base, more incentives. It's why I said "We'd" meaning the Vikings and implied a contract for Cook. We are also tighter against the cap and the contract would probably have to be backloaded more.

I was looking at his pay for 20-23 since you were showing the 5th year as an option. I should have been looking at 21-24. That's where I got the disconnect between your numbers and DLs. My apologies to DL as his numbers were the same as yours except spread over 5 years not 4.

11.3M of that money is not in years 21-24

It's a 4 year extension. The 10M signing bonus is new money and part of the 48M.

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Mixon Details:

Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal:
— $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020.
— $8M base in 2021.
— $8M in 2022.
— $9.4M in 2023.
— Club option for $9.6M in 2024.
— $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year.


We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted.

Not sure how that adds up to 48 million for four years

Mixon's deal?

10M Signing bonus
8M in 2021
8M in 2022
9.4M in 2023
9.6M in 2024
2M Playtime bonus
800K workout bonus
---------------------
47.8M

Seems close enough to call 48.

The numbers you provided might add up to 47.8. The numbers he was questioning didn't.

I was projecting what I would do for a Cook contract. Less base, more incentives. It's why I said "We'd" meaning the Vikings and implied a contract for Cook. We are also tighter against the cap and the contract would probably have to be backloaded more.

I was looking at his pay for 20-23 since you were showing the 5th year as an option. I should have been looking at 21-24. That's where I got the disconnect between your numbers and DLs. My apologies to DL as his numbers were the same as yours except spread over 5 years not 4.

11.3M of that money is not in years 21-24

It's a 4 year extension. The 10M signing bonus is new money and part of the 48M.

It's still a 5 year deal

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Can they block? No.

But people are underestimating how terrific our IOL has been getting at recovering fumbles.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Can they block? No.

But people are underestimating how terrific our IOL has been getting at recovering fumbles.

The Vikings offensive line ranks third in the NFL at recovering fumbles. (I made this up.)

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

Mixon Details:

Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal:
— $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020.
— $8M base in 2021.
— $8M in 2022.
— $9.4M in 2023.
— Club option for $9.6M in 2024.
— $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year.


We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted.

Not sure how that adds up to 48 million for four years

Mixon's deal?

10M Signing bonus
8M in 2021
8M in 2022
9.4M in 2023
9.6M in 2024
2M Playtime bonus
800K workout bonus
---------------------
47.8M

Seems close enough to call 48.

The numbers you provided might add up to 47.8. The numbers he was questioning didn't.

I was projecting what I would do for a Cook contract. Less base, more incentives. It's why I said "We'd" meaning the Vikings and implied a contract for Cook. We are also tighter against the cap and the contract would probably have to be backloaded more.

I was looking at his pay for 20-23 since you were showing the 5th year as an option. I should have been looking at 21-24. That's where I got the disconnect between your numbers and DLs. My apologies to DL as his numbers were the same as yours except spread over 5 years not 4.

11.3M of that money is not in years 21-24

It's a 4 year extension. The 10M signing bonus is new money and part of the 48M.

It's still a 5 year deal

If that makes you feel vindicated instead of calling it a 4 year extension, all the more power to you.

But he signed a 4 year extension. The 1.3M base salary for 2020 is the final year of his rookie contract. The Bengals just split the bonus money into all 5 years he's under contract instead of the 4 new ones so he gets an extra 2.7M this year.