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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 3:43:20 PM

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I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Can they block? No.

But people are underestimating how terrific our IOL has been getting at recovering fumbles.

It's because when their defenders fly by them, they are already turned around staring at Cousins.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 3:43:43 PM

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Cuts have begun. I believe some of these players will be on the practice squad.

The #Vikings have placed DE Kenny Willekes on IR and waived RB Tony Brooks-James, LB Jordan Fehr, DE Stacy Keely and DE Anthony Zettel.

Minnesota Vikings on Twitter

Edit: Sorry. I am repeating again, but in my defense it was by about a minute late.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 3:47:55 PM

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Zettel's release should free up some cap.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 3:53:58 PM

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Mixon Details:

Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal:
— $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020.
— $8M base in 2021.
— $8M in 2022.
— $9.4M in 2023.
— Club option for $9.6M in 2024.
— $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year.

We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted.

Not sure how that adds up to 48 million for four years

Mixon's deal?

10M Signing bonus
8M in 2021
8M in 2022
9.4M in 2023
9.6M in 2024
2M Playtime bonus
800K workout bonus
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47.8M

Seems close enough to call 48.

The numbers you provided might add up to 47.8. The numbers he was questioning didn't.

I was projecting what I would do for a Cook contract. Less base, more incentives. It's why I said "We'd" meaning the Vikings and implied a contract for Cook. We are also tighter against the cap and the contract would probably have to be backloaded more.

I was looking at his pay for 20-23 since you were showing the 5th year as an option. I should have been looking at 21-24. That's where I got the disconnect between your numbers and DLs. My apologies to DL as his numbers were the same as yours except spread over 5 years not 4.

11.3M of that money is not in years 21-24

It's a 4 year extension. The 10M signing bonus is new money and part of the 48M.

It's still a 5 year deal

If that makes you feel vindicated instead of calling it a 4 year extension, all the more power to you.

But he signed a 4 year extension. The 1.3M base salary for 2020 is the final year of his rookie contract. The Bengals just split the bonus money into all 5 years he's under contract instead of the 4 new ones so he gets an extra 2.7M this year.

He gets the full $10M SB this year, the cap hit is pro-rated over 5 years. Oh it feels so good saying that.

You're right about when the bonus is paid. But it also doesn't change his contract for this year.

Still a 4 year extension. Still worth 48M.

Actually, it'll probably end up a 3 year extension worth 38M.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 3:54:18 PM

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 4:07:05 PM

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 4:23:56 PM

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Mixon Details:

Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal:
— $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020.
— $8M base in 2021.
— $8M in 2022.
— $9.4M in 2023.
— Club option for $9.6M in 2024.
— $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year.

We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted.

Not sure how that adds up to 48 million for four years

Mixon's deal?

10M Signing bonus
8M in 2021
8M in 2022
9.4M in 2023
9.6M in 2024
2M Playtime bonus
800K workout bonus
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47.8M

Seems close enough to call 48.

The numbers you provided might add up to 47.8. The numbers he was questioning didn't.

I was projecting what I would do for a Cook contract. Less base, more incentives. It's why I said "We'd" meaning the Vikings and implied a contract for Cook. We are also tighter against the cap and the contract would probably have to be backloaded more.

I was looking at his pay for 20-23 since you were showing the 5th year as an option. I should have been looking at 21-24. That's where I got the disconnect between your numbers and DLs. My apologies to DL as his numbers were the same as yours except spread over 5 years not 4.

11.3M of that money is not in years 21-24

It's a 4 year extension. The 10M signing bonus is new money and part of the 48M.

It's still a 5 year deal

If that makes you feel vindicated instead of calling it a 4 year extension, all the more power to you.

But he signed a 4 year extension. The 1.3M base salary for 2020 is the final year of his rookie contract. The Bengals just split the bonus money into all 5 years he's under contract instead of the 4 new ones so he gets an extra 2.7M this year.

He gets the full $10M SB this year, the cap hit is pro-rated over 5 years. Oh it feels so good saying that.

You're right about when the bonus is paid. But it also doesn't change his contract for this year.

Still a 4 year extension. Still worth 48M.

Actually, it'll probably end up a 3 year extension worth 38M.

I guess my real thoughts are the cap hit averages just under $10M for the next 5 years. Like 3.3, 10, 10, 11.4, 11.6. Where 4 year extension for $48M makes it sound like a yearly $12M cap hit.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 4:38:44 PM

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I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Right, that is why I think this Cousins falls apart under pressure stuff is a myth. He's very good under pressure. My favorite play of his under pressure was the TD to Rudolph to win the playoff game. He had two blitzers right in his face on that one.

Every time we did play action against GB they left an edge rusher home on the weak side.

Cousins filled his diaper every time even though in most cases he still had time to throw.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 4:53:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Can they block? No.

But people are underestimating how terrific our IOL has been getting at recovering fumbles.

The Vikings offensive line ranks third in the NFL at recovering fumbles. (I made this up.)

Daunte used to lead the league year after year

That's because Randy was taking plays off back then.......

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 5:06:33 PM

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I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Can they block? No.

But people are underestimating how terrific our IOL has been getting at recovering fumbles.

It's because when their defenders fly by them, they are already turned around staring at Cousins.

You mean staring up at Cousins ... plus laying on the ground makes it easier for our guys to scramble under legs and stuff once they fully regain consciousness.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 5:31:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Right, that is why I think this Cousins falls apart under pressure stuff is a myth. He's very good under pressure. My favorite play of his under pressure was the TD to Rudolph to win the playoff game. He had two blitzers right in his face on that one.

Every time we did play action against GB they left an edge rusher home on the weak side.

Cousins filled his diaper every time even though in most cases he still had time to throw.

You are one negative dude. Consistently.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 6:44:23 PM

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I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Right, that is why I think this Cousins falls apart under pressure stuff is a myth. He's very good under pressure. My favorite play of his under pressure was the TD to Rudolph to win the playoff game. He had two blitzers right in his face on that one.

Every time we did play action against GB they left an edge rusher home on the weak side.

Cousins filled his diaper every time even though in most cases he still had time to throw.

If you say so. Stats show that when under pressure Cousins made positive plays more than almost every other QB.
Like the play I mentioned. He made that throw with two blitzers right in his grill.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 7:34:12 PM

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I guess the best way to say it for me would anybody be happy if moments after our team was vanquished by the 49ers largely because our OLine got completely destroyed by the 9er DLine that our big move to improve this giant hole in the roster would be to move our worst OLineman to RG, and move his backup in to start at LG?

Pretty insane on its face...

Udoh is the key imo.

Superior athlete. Size and strength to dominate.

Coaches need to earn their $$$.

Udoh, and/or one of the other young guys (Cleveland or Samia) I’d completely agree.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 7:42:51 PM

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I guess the best way to say it for me would anybody be happy if moments after our team was vanquished by the 49ers largely because our OLine got completely destroyed by the 9er DLine that our big move to improve this giant hole in the roster would be to move our worst OLineman to RG, and move his backup in to start at LG?

Pretty insane on its face...

Udoh is the key imo.

Superior athlete. Size and strength to dominate.

Coaches need to earn their $$$.

Udoh, and/or one of the other young guys (Cleveland or Samia) I’d completely agree.

To me Bradbury is primary---and not just because I pined for him so pathetically. If he has made the progress the coaches say he has and he continues to improve/get stronger over the next year or two, the interior has a chance.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 8:40:34 PM

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I guess the best way to say it for me would anybody be happy if moments after our team was vanquished by the 49ers largely because our OLine got completely destroyed by the 9er DLine that our big move to improve this giant hole in the roster would be to move our worst OLineman to RG, and move his backup in to start at LG?

Pretty insane on its face...

Udoh is the key imo.

Superior athlete. Size and strength to dominate.

Coaches need to earn their $$$.

Udoh, and/or one of the other young guys (Cleveland or Samia) I’d completely agree.

To me Bradbury is primary---and not just because I pined for him so pathetically. If he has made the progress the coaches say he has and he continues to improve/get stronger over the next year or two, the interior has a chance.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 8:47:05 PM

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It still seems very strange the details of Reiff's Re-structure haven't been released. Over the cap still listing full Reiff amount but has Yannick included.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 8:55:47 PM

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Billy Turner might miss week 1 for GB. A-Aron not liking RT situation. GB's oline might be in a similar situation as ours.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 9:13:02 PM

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Speculation:

Chris Tomasson
@christomasson
P.S. Yannick Ngakoue ($12 million) displaced a player on the top 51 salaries with a cap number of $693,644 so perhaps Reiff restructure saved more along the lines of $3.3 million.

Chris Tomasson
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After having $12.2 million cap room NFLPA now lists #Vikings as having $4,186,742 of room. Unless they did something else, that would be indication Riley Reiff restructure saved them about $4 million in 2020 Analyst Jason Fitzergerald said Sunday Vikings needed to clear about $4M

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 10:33:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Right, that is why I think this Cousins falls apart under pressure stuff is a myth. He's very good under pressure. My favorite play of his under pressure was the TD to Rudolph to win the playoff game. He had two blitzers right in his face on that one.

Every time we did play action against GB they left an edge rusher home on the weak side.

Cousins filled his diaper every time even though in most cases he still had time to throw.

If you say so. Stats show that when under pressure Cousins made positive plays more than almost every other QB.
Like the play I mentioned. He made that throw with two blitzers right in his grill.

But but but the eye test!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2020 11:34:56 PM

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I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Right, that is why I think this Cousins falls apart under pressure stuff is a myth. He's very good under pressure. My favorite play of his under pressure was the TD to Rudolph to win the playoff game. He had two blitzers right in his face on that one.

Every time we did play action against GB they left an edge rusher home on the weak side.

Cousins filled his diaper every time even though in most cases he still had time to throw.

If you say so. Stats show that when under pressure Cousins made positive plays more than almost every other QB.
Like the play I mentioned. He made that throw with two blitzers right in his grill.

But but but the eye test!

Since we see him play all the time we see every little thing he does wrong and magnify those flaws. We care nothing whatsoever about what he does right. These stats don't lie.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2020 6:49:14 AM

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I thought Cousins had 7 fumbles last year and 2 lost. The year before a high % of fumbles were lost.

Minnesota's Interception thrown rate was 9th best in the league last year at 1.71

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-intercepted-pct

Mannion had 2 INTS in 21 attempts.

That's with the 27th worst passing oline in the league.

Right, that is why I think this Cousins falls apart under pressure stuff is a myth. He's very good under pressure. My favorite play of his under pressure was the TD to Rudolph to win the playoff game. He had two blitzers right in his face on that one.

Every time we did play action against GB they left an edge rusher home on the weak side.

Cousins filled his diaper every time even though in most cases he still had time to throw.

If you say so. Stats show that when under pressure Cousins made positive plays more than almost every other QB.
Like the play I mentioned. He made that throw with two blitzers right in his grill.

But but but the eye test!

Ask and you shall recieve

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2020 7:36:59 AM

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We're going to win a SB in the next 3 years. I believe it in my heart 100%. I know that doesn't mean anything really.

If Cousins does bring us a SB does that automatically make him the greatest QB in our history? I say yes.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2020 8:33:14 AM

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We have details now. (Per Ian Rapoport)

Details of the paycut that kept #Vikings LT Riley Reiff in Minnesota: He agreed to take his salary from $11M to $6M, source said. A $5M paycut. Reiff can earn back $2M of that with playtime incentives.

8.2 M cap hit per Sean Borman.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2020 8:45:06 AM

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We're going to win a SB in the next 3 years. I believe it in my heart 100%. I know that doesn't mean anything really.

If Cousins does bring us a SB does that automatically make him the greatest QB in our history? I say yes.

3 SB losses for Fran might still put him on top....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2020 8:59:58 AM

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We're going to win a SB in the next 3 years. I believe it in my heart 100%. I know that doesn't mean anything really.

If Cousins does bring us a SB does that automatically make him the greatest QB in our history? I say yes.

I'll take a broken down Randall Cunningham or Brett Favre. We haven't drafted a really good quarterback since Tommy Kramer (as Howard Cosell would say; the brilliant youngster out of Rice). I'm sure there will be people that would say Culpepper was a good quarterback, but I thought he was very fortunate to have a young Randy Moss at his disposal.

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