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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

On another note, they would be wise to start easing up on Cook's carries
Dude has had like 30+ carries multiple games.
They signed him to a big contract, and really need him for several years to come.
He's been getting creamed lately. he has an injury history, and he will not survive this.

Start working in Mattison 10+ touches, and start throwing more.

Its bad when casual observers (like my wife) spend most of the game saying "they're gonna kill that poor young man" (Cook)
Dude is a beast. he takes more punishment than the rest of the roster combined, imo.
Some is self-inflicted, yeah, but I respect that man. He gives all. And he's had plenty of opps this year to just lay down and take the rest of the game off.
Or grab the hammy. (which people used to accuse him of)
But he hasn't. He's been carrying our asses for long periods of time, especially in the toughness department.

Cook will be past his prime soon IMO. Before an elite QB and adequate defense is assembled.

It's like Adrian Peterson, so much fun to watch but borderline pointless if a Super Bowl is what you want.

Cannot disagree
All these good efforts in the running game, has it ever moved us closer to the ultimate goal?
Nope.
We need to focus more on "dynamic and innovative" and less on "tradition and balance" imo.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Our CBs have no INTs.

Leading our CBs in PD is Holton Hill with 3.

Boyd could have won game yesterday. Bang bang but good CBs pick that one in EZ.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

On another note, they would be wise to start easing up on Cook's carries
Dude has had like 30+ carries multiple games.
They signed him to a big contract, and really need him for several years to come.
He's been getting creamed lately. he has an injury history, and he will not survive this.

Start working in Mattison 10+ touches, and start throwing more.

Its bad when casual observers (like my wife) spend most of the game saying "they're gonna kill that poor young man" (Cook)
Dude is a beast. he takes more punishment than the rest of the roster combined, imo.
Some is self-inflicted, yeah, but I respect that man. He gives all. And he's had plenty of opps this year to just lay down and take the rest of the game off.
Or grab the hammy. (which people used to accuse him of)
But he hasn't. He's been carrying our asses for long periods of time, especially in the toughness department.

I have no problem with him stepping out of bounds(Franco Harris style) with the amount of hits he takes(and gives) in between the tackles.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

All these posts on Cousins could easily been replaced with Zimmer.

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Getting Oli Udoh on the field SOMEWHERE say at left guard could go a long way to fixing our OL.

We don't know this.

It could. but it also could not. We don't see the practices etc and there may be a reason he isn't getting a chance like he sucks more than Samia.

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Getting Oli Udoh on the field SOMEWHERE say at left guard could go a long way to fixing our OL.

We don't know this.

It could. but it also could not. We don't see the practices etc and there may be a reason he isn't getting a chance like he sucks more than Samia.

Who'd that ever stop from yapping with absolute knowledge? I at least said 'could'. Considering the way he handled Khalil Mack last year in his only game action (he was clearly much more effective than Samia) he certainly looks like he would be able to handle the work at guard. Easily big and strong enough with a massive reach to stone just about any interior DL in pass blocking, and athletic enough to do the downfield stuff we ask of our OL. And by all reports a nasty attitude. Our OL staff seems all over the place with where to put our young guys. Are we penciling in Cleveland as out LT of the future, or are we going to leave him at RG? After 4 games he is already injured, is he too slight to take the interior pounding longterm?

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Getting Oli Udoh on the field SOMEWHERE say at left guard could go a long way to fixing our OL.

We don't know this.

It could. but it also could not. We don't see the practices etc and there may be a reason he isn't getting a chance like he sucks more than Samia.

Who'd that ever stop from yapping with absolute knowledge? I at least said 'could'. Considering the way he handled Khalil Mack last year in his only game action (he was clearly much more effective than Samia) he certainly looks like he would be able to handle the work at guard. Easily big and strong enough with a massive reach to stone just about any interior DL in pass blocking, and athletic enough to do the downfield stuff we ask of our OL. And by all reports a nasty attitude. Our OL staff seems all over the place with where to put our young guys. Are we penciling in Cleveland as out LT of the future, or are we going to leave him at RG? After 4 games he is already injured, is he too slight to take the interior pounding longterm?

OK.. just to be clear, I think Udoh should have a shot just like you. Just based on that one game against Mack. I'd love to see it. But for some reason that we are not aware of the coaches aren't giving him that shot.

Samia didn't work. Elflein didn't work. Cleveland worked but got hurt. Jones worked but has been here before and for some reason they don't want to hold onto him or give him a permanent job. Udoh should have a shot. Why not? i can't think of one reason. He may be a guy that just doesn't practice well but gets into the game and steps it up to another level. I don't know.

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Getting Oli Udoh on the field SOMEWHERE say at left guard could go a long way to fixing our OL.

We don't know this.

It could. but it also could not. We don't see the practices etc and there may be a reason he isn't getting a chance like he sucks more than Samia.

Who'd that ever stop from yapping with absolute knowledge? I at least said 'could'. Considering the way he handled Khalil Mack last year in his only game action (he was clearly much more effective than Samia) he certainly looks like he would be able to handle the work at guard. Easily big and strong enough with a massive reach to stone just about any interior DL in pass blocking, and athletic enough to do the downfield stuff we ask of our OL. And by all reports a nasty attitude. Our OL staff seems all over the place with where to put our young guys. Are we penciling in Cleveland as out LT of the future, or are we going to leave him at RG? After 4 games he is already injured, is he too slight to take the interior pounding longterm?

OK.. just to be clear, I think Udoh should have a shot just like you. Just based on that one game against Mack. I'd love to see it. But for some reason that we are not aware of the coaches aren't giving him that shot.

Samia didn't work. Elflein didn't work. Cleveland worked but got hurt. Jones worked but has been here before and for some reason they don't want to hold onto him or give him a permanent job. Udoh should have a shot. Why not? i can't think of one reason. He may be a guy that just doesn't practice well but gets into the game and steps it up to another level. I don't know.

Does this coaching staff even have a clue on judging G play?

Jones is probably our best G and he's been treated like a disease by this regime.

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Our CBs have no INTs.

Leading our CBs in PD is Holton Hill with 3.

Boyd could have won game yesterday. Bang bang but good CBs pick that one in EZ.

It seems almost impossible that after 10 games we have one DB with an INT (Smith with 3).

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Getting Oli Udoh on the field SOMEWHERE say at left guard could go a long way to fixing our OL.

We don't know this.

It could. but it also could not. We don't see the practices etc and there may be a reason he isn't getting a chance like he sucks more than Samia.

Who'd that ever stop from yapping with absolute knowledge? I at least said 'could'. Considering the way he handled Khalil Mack last year in his only game action (he was clearly much more effective than Samia) he certainly looks like he would be able to handle the work at guard. Easily big and strong enough with a massive reach to stone just about any interior DL in pass blocking, and athletic enough to do the downfield stuff we ask of our OL. And by all reports a nasty attitude. Our OL staff seems all over the place with where to put our young guys. Are we penciling in Cleveland as out LT of the future, or are we going to leave him at RG? After 4 games he is already injured, is he too slight to take the interior pounding longterm?

OK.. just to be clear, I think Udoh should have a shot just like you. Just based on that one game against Mack. I'd love to see it. But for some reason that we are not aware of the coaches aren't giving him that shot.

Samia didn't work. Elflein didn't work. Cleveland worked but got hurt. Jones worked but has been here before and for some reason they don't want to hold onto him or give him a permanent job. Udoh should have a shot. Why not? i can't think of one reason. He may be a guy that just doesn't practice well but gets into the game and steps it up to another level. I don't know.

Does this coaching staff even have a clue on judging G play?

Jones is probably our best G and he's been treated like a disease by this regime.

They should leave him in there and see how he does over the next 2-3 games. Could he be worse than Samia??? I doubt it.

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A few thoughts:

1. Well, there goes the season. At least the Vikings dashed our hopes early. Usually the team sucks us in, strings us a long, then and finds a way to make it as painful as possible to be a Vikings fan.

2. When your team has as many holes as the Vikings do, you cannot be terrible in any one area. Mediocre, maybe. Our special teams are terrible. Definitely needs to be a focus of the team's attention going into next year.

3. What happened to Harrison Smith? Easily the worst game I've seen him play. Obviously he was trying to cover for the rookie CB's but he only made matters worse.

4. We need a QBOTF in the draft. Kirk can't put a team on his shoulders and lead them to victory. The Vikings need to keep swinging until they find their version of Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson. Watch KC last night. Did anyone think that Mahomes was NOT going to lead his team to a comeback victory? It's not okay to settle for mediocrity at the position.

5. We have an elite core of skill position players on offense with Cook, Smith, Thielen and Jefferson. With a better offensive line this team could lead the league in scoring next year.

5. I don't trust Spielman at all, but the Vikings have a lot of quality players and can easily compete next year with a few smart decisions:

- save salary by booting Reiff, Barr, Rudolph, Harris
- draft/sign 2 OG's, 1 3T DT

That's it!

Spielman has a million draft picks, and could free up the cap space to make it happen. Of course we need depth, and we'll need another S, but if we make it a priority to fill those 3 positions this team can compete for a Superbowl next year.

We'll see...

Irv Smith is 164th in the league in receiving yards with 182. 20 yards per game over his 9 games. He could literally get that by catching 5 balls at the LOS, taking one small step, and lunging forward to the ground. Unrealized potential; the league is littered with those types.

Theilen IMO is not elite, although he has a lot of TDs this year. Depends on what you define as "elite". He had a great 20117 and 2018, and I think he will have a few awesome games this season, less next season, etc. Although, he may do well longer if the other weapons suck up more attention.

A QB is IMO part of an offensive skill set, at least as much as a TE. Cousins is not elite.

We have Cook and a rookie WR who will need to show year on year consistency, especially as he faces better defenders and possibly schemes against him. Ideally Smith Jr. joins them. And we get a QB. And blocking, yadda, yadda.

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: thebigo




Getting Oli Udoh on the field SOMEWHERE say at left guard could go a long way to fixing our OL.

We don't know this.

It could. but it also could not. We don't see the practices etc and there may be a reason he isn't getting a chance like he sucks more than Samia.

Who'd that ever stop from yapping with absolute knowledge? I at least said 'could'. Considering the way he handled Khalil Mack last year in his only game action (he was clearly much more effective than Samia) he certainly looks like he would be able to handle the work at guard. Easily big and strong enough with a massive reach to stone just about any interior DL in pass blocking, and athletic enough to do the downfield stuff we ask of our OL. And by all reports a nasty attitude. Our OL staff seems all over the place with where to put our young guys. Are we penciling in Cleveland as out LT of the future, or are we going to leave him at RG? After 4 games he is already injured, is he too slight to take the interior pounding longterm?

OK.. just to be clear, I think Udoh should have a shot just like you. Just based on that one game against Mack. I'd love to see it. But for some reason that we are not aware of the coaches aren't giving him that shot.

Samia didn't work. Elflein didn't work. Cleveland worked but got hurt. Jones worked but has been here before and for some reason they don't want to hold onto him or give him a permanent job. Udoh should have a shot. Why not? i can't think of one reason. He may be a guy that just doesn't practice well but gets into the game and steps it up to another level. I don't know.

Does this coaching staff even have a clue on judging G play?

Jones is probably our best G and he's been treated like a disease by this regime.

They should leave him in there and see how he does over the next 2-3 games. Could he be worse than Samia??? I doubt it.

Not even Elf is worse than Samia.

Let's put Jones and Clev as the G's. Dozier isn't exactly creme dela creme

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

A few thoughts:

1. Well, there goes the season. At least the Vikings dashed our hopes early. Usually the team sucks us in, strings us a long, then and finds a way to make it as painful as possible to be a Vikings fan.

2. When your team has as many holes as the Vikings do, you cannot be terrible in any one area. Mediocre, maybe. Our special teams are terrible. Definitely needs to be a focus of the team's attention going into next year.

3. What happened to Harrison Smith? Easily the worst game I've seen him play. Obviously he was trying to cover for the rookie CB's but he only made matters worse.

4. We need a QBOTF in the draft. Kirk can't put a team on his shoulders and lead them to victory. The Vikings need to keep swinging until they find their version of Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson. Watch KC last night. Did anyone think that Mahomes was NOT going to lead his team to a comeback victory? It's not okay to settle for mediocrity at the position.

5. We have an elite core of skill position players on offense with Cook, Smith, Thielen and Jefferson. With a better offensive line this team could lead the league in scoring next year.

5. I don't trust Spielman at all, but the Vikings have a lot of quality players and can easily compete next year with a few smart decisions:

- save salary by booting Reiff, Barr, Rudolph, Harris
- draft/sign 2 OG's, 1 3T DT

That's it!

Spielman has a million draft picks, and could free up the cap space to make it happen. Of course we need depth, and we'll need another S, but if we make it a priority to fill those 3 positions this team can compete for a Superbowl next year.

We'll see...

Irv Smith is 164th in the league in receiving yards with 182. 20 yards per game over his 9 games. He could literally get that by catching 5 balls at the LOS, taking one small step, and lunging forward to the ground. Unrealized potential; the league is littered with those types.

Theilen IMO is not elite, although he has a lot of TDs this year. Depends on what you define as "elite". He had a great 20117 and 2018, and I think he will have a few awesome games this season, less next season, etc. Although, he may do well longer if the other weapons suck up more attention.

A QB is IMO part of an offensive skill set, at least as much as a TE. Cousins is not elite.

We have Cook and a rookie WR who will need to show year on year consistency, especially as he faces better defenders and possibly schemes against him. Ideally Smith Jr. joins them. And we get a QB. And blocking, yadda, yadda.

Irv Smith has elite level talent. The guy was a stud at Alabama, he's an excellent blocker and when he's been put into position to use his skills as a route runner and receiver he's performed. Our offensive gameplanning has not been good at taking advantage of his abilities, probably because our oline sucks and needs extra blocking help. For a few games it looked like they were starting to feature him more, but that positive trend has stalled in the past couple of weeks.

Thielen leads the league in TD's and averages more yards per reception than guys like Mike Evans and Davante Adams. He has speed and is considered one of the best route runners in the league with exceptional hands. He has a better skill set at the position than the vast majority of WR's in the league. That is "elite".

I did not include Cousins because he's not part of the core group I'm referring to. Although Cousins can play at an elite level occasionally, he certainly is not an elite QB.

Jefferson is currently the 7th ranked WR in the NFL, is on pace to top Moss's rookie stats, and has a serious case for OROTY. The kid is special and is absolutely an elite talent.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Our CBs have no INTs.

Leading our CBs in PD is Holton Hill with 3.

Boyd could have won game yesterday. Bang bang but good CBs pick that one in EZ.