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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

I wonder how good our dline would look with Pierce in the middle? Wonnum, Odenigbo, and Herc are able to get pressure off the edges without much help from the tackles.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The Vikings rank 26th in the NFL in points allowed. With that in mind, yes, I am pleased with 5-6. They are winning games in spite of the defense.
If you don't get it, have a look at the 2014, 2015 and 2016 Saints. They finished 7-9 in each of those years -- because of defense.

In the same timeframe (since 2018 when Cousins came to the Vikings), these QBs have won one or zero playoff games:

Russell Wilson
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Dak Prescott
Deshaun Watson
Drew Brees
Lamar Jackson

Three QBs have won a Super Bowl during the last decade on their rookie deals -- Flacco, Wilson, Mahomes.
That means eight championships were won by QBs NOT on rookie deals.
Why do we act like this "QB on his rookie deal" strategy is bulletproof? It doesn't usually work.

With the Rams losing to the 49ers and presumably angry about it, I fully expect them to defeat the Cardinals next weekend.
In that scenario, coupled with a win over JAX, the Vikings would be the #7 seed by this time next week. And then on to Tampa.

(Dustin Baker on Twitter)

This guy's special skill is crafting stats and numbers to try and skew people's perception of facts. I'll restate the same thing he said in equally true terms but will say something else:

In the last decade, in order to win the Super Bowl you needed a Manning or a Brady. If you didn't have a Manning or a Brady then you needed needed a QB on his rookie deal as they won 60% of the Super Bowls in the last decade that weren't won by a Manning or a Brady. Aaron Rodgers and Nick Foles won the other two.

So, in summary, A Manning or a Brady won 50%, QBs on rookie deals won 30%, and Rodgers/Foles picked up the other 20%.

Lastly, no one has stated that 'QB on his rookie deal strategy is bulletproof'.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The Vikings rank 26th in the NFL in points allowed. With that in mind, yes, I am pleased with 5-6. They are winning games in spite of the defense.
If you don't get it, have a look at the 2014, 2015 and 2016 Saints. They finished 7-9 in each of those years -- because of defense.

In the same timeframe (since 2018 when Cousins came to the Vikings), these QBs have won one or zero playoff games:

Russell Wilson
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Dak Prescott
Deshaun Watson
Drew Brees
Lamar Jackson

Three QBs have won a Super Bowl during the last decade on their rookie deals -- Flacco, Wilson, Mahomes.
That means eight championships were won by QBs NOT on rookie deals.
Why do we act like this "QB on his rookie deal" strategy is bulletproof? It doesn't usually work.

With the Rams losing to the 49ers and presumably angry about it, I fully expect them to defeat the Cardinals next weekend.
In that scenario, coupled with a win over JAX, the Vikings would be the #7 seed by this time next week. And then on to Tampa.

(Dustin Baker on Twitter)

This guy's special skill is crafting stats and numbers to try and skew people's perception of facts. I'll restate the same thing he said in equally true terms but will say something else:

In the last decade, in order to win the Super Bowl you needed a Manning or a Brady. If you didn't have a Manning or a Brady then you needed needed a QB on his rookie deal as they won 60% of the Super Bowls in the last decade that weren't won by a Manning or a Brady. Aaron Rodgers and Nick Foles won the other two.

So, in summary, A Manning or a Brady won 50%, QBs on rookie deals won 30%, and Rodgers/Foles picked up the other 20%.

Lastly, no one has stated that 'QB on his rookie deal strategy is bulletproof'.

Brilliant retort....

Throwing out Manning/Brady to skew your viewpoint is ridiculously disingenious!

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

Brett Jones and Chris Jones were both excellent yesterday.

Also I would like to add the Davis' trucking of Wilson should be a penalty by the letter of the law. Not that I agree with the rule but he did drive his helmet into a defenseless player.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

I have to admit I stopped watching after Beebe fumbled just short of the two minute warning. I figured with Cousins and our offenses inability to generate a drive in a two minute drill that the game was over. Carolina was going to run down the clock and score and it would be over. But then I found out later we won!

I Can't imagine any team is worse than the Vikings at clock management. but how did we have so much time after the panthers drive?

How did our offense move down the field like that when they seemed completely inept in previous attempts this season?

And How did their kicker miss that game winner by so much. Sheesh...we were LUCKY. We played a really sloppy game and were gifted a win. Cousins did ok, but did cough up the first Fumble/TD. We had a delay of game during a two minute drill at the end of the first half. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?

Our D game up just 10 points. Our special teams kept their returners in check and blocked a FG.

Our offense was clearly missing Theilen but still managed 28 points.

Bisi and Beebe showed up. Beebe gets redemption after the fumble by catching game winner.

Our Defense was getting torched early so kudos to whatever adjustments were made. but the announcers seemed flabbergasted that the Panthers went completely away from the run when they were gashing us repeatedly.

We were lucky. We were gifted a win.

Panthers outplayed us and outcoached themselves.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The Vikings' defense combined for 17 missed tackles, which is the most ever by a Vikings defense under Mike Zimmer

Nick Olson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Since the start of 2019, Kirk Cousins is the only QB in the NFL to engineer multiple comebacks when trailing by 10+ points at the start of the 4th Quarter.

No other QB has more than one such comeback in the last two seasons.

(Dustin Baker on Twitter)

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

Brett Jones and Chris Jones were both excellent yesterday.

Also I would like to add the Davis' trucking of Wilson should be a penalty by the letter of the law. Not that I agree with the rule but he did drive his helmet into a defenseless player.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Bradbury is absolutely terrible at pass blocking.

He simply doesn't keep his hands on the defender. He is more like a speed bump to the qb.