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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 2:10:21 PM   
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Brad, Have you seen the improvement in cousins in the last 5 or 6 games?

moving in pocket better, not great, but better.

Running at times. mostly for his life.

is overpaid, but have little choice for another year.

OL and play calling a bigger problem.

Bottom line is that Cousins is not worth anything close to what he is being paid. He is also not close to one of the ten worst QB in football.

Name 10 starting quarterbacks that are worse.

Mullens
Lock
Goff
Jones


It's actually closer than I thought:

Better than:
Cam Newton
Darnold
Carr
Smith
Trubisky

Debatable:

Bridgewater
Garoppolo
Wentz
Ryan
Tua
Burrow

I think Darnold is debatable. Give him a year with a good team and lets see how that plays out.

I'd take Smith over Cousins. He's way tougher, mentally, and his teammates love him.


I'm a fan of Darnold, he's had some horrible luck. Between the Jets being a terrible organization from him contracting mono, losing the entire oline last season, losing all of his receivers to start the year.

Maybe he winds up with the 49ers.

Smith has actually pushed the ball downfield a little more than in the past, I guess he's banked enough dough to start taking chances. Kirk stands in there more than check down Smith does.

I'd take Darnold any day in Minnesota over Cousins.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 2:18:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't. Can't complete 60% of his passes. Terrible yds per attempt. Six TD to 9 picks. It's like he has all of Cousins' negative stats without any of the positive ones.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 2:58:16 PM   
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I wouldn't. Can't complete 60% of his passes. Terrible yds per attempt. Six TD to 9 picks. It's like he has all of Cousins' negative stats without any of the positive ones.

It's all relative. When your #1 receiver is Jamison Crowder, your running back is Frank Gore and you're constantly playing from behind, your numbers are always going to look worse.

Give that guy some talent around him and then compare the numbers. Until then, the numbers mean nothing.

How do you think Cousins would look on the Jets with no Cook, Jefferson or Thielen to bail him out, and a worse offensive line? That's apples to apples.

As I see it, Cousins does one thing well. He throws a nice deep ball. That's it. After that, the cupboards are bare.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:03:48 PM   
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and I not sold on Kansas city being better. Cook is best all around back in the league. JJ is incredible...And shades just makes plays

Get OL solved, cousins will be here next year.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:04:27 PM   
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besides Kansas city...who has a better wr and rb combo?

and I not sold on Kansas city being better. Cook is best all around back in the league. JJ is incredible...And shades just makes plays

Get OL solved, cousins will be here next year.

New Orleans. Green Bay.

Cook is not the best all-around back in the league. He's currently third in the league in fumbles lost among running backs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:06:14 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:07:40 PM   
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AJ Brown and Derrick Henry are nothing to sneeze at.

Precisely.

I also like Chris Carson and DK Metcalf.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:07:43 PM   
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not close....cook is far, far superior

Ill give you Adams... end of the day...Vikings favor.

NO..close...with Thomas healthy.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:09:19 PM   
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Titans not better, and Seattle not close
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:10:55 PM   
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green bay?

not close....cook is far, far superior

Ill give you Adams... end of the day...Vikings favor.

NO..close...with Thomas healthy.

IMO, Jones and Cook are very comparable. Cook is a bigger part of his offense so the numbers are always going to slant in his favor.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:11:15 PM   
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Imagine this team with a OL

The pieces are there. Kubiak and OL kills this team. still down with zimmer gone
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:11:47 PM   
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disagree.

Titans not better, and Seattle not close

Titans way better. Henry and Brown are absolute freaks. Metcalf in Seattle is a freak. Carson very underrated (been hurt a lot).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:13:03 PM   
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I wouldn't. Can't complete 60% of his passes. Terrible yds per attempt. Six TD to 9 picks. It's like he has all of Cousins' negative stats without any of the positive ones.

It's all relative. When your #1 receiver is Jamison Crowder, your running back is Frank Gore and you're constantly playing from behind, your numbers are always going to look worse.

Give that guy some talent around him and then compare the numbers. Until then, the numbers mean nothing.

How do you think Cousins would look on the Jets with no Cook, Jefferson or Thielen to bail him out, and a worse offensive line? That's apples to apples.

As I see it, Cousins does one thing well. He throws a nice deep ball. That's it. After that, the cupboards are bare.

Good QB's manage to put up respectable numbers with bad teams. I think Cousins would put decent numbers with the Colts like he did with some lousy Washington teams.

I think Darnold put up marginally better numbers with the Vikings than he does now. He just isn't very good.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:13:13 PM   
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Cook is the best all around back in the league...

How many GM's who pick Jones over Cook?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:14:13 PM   
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lost me on that one
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:15:25 PM   
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I wouldn't. Can't complete 60% of his passes. Terrible yds per attempt. Six TD to 9 picks. It's like he has all of Cousins' negative stats without any of the positive ones.

It's all relative. When your #1 receiver is Jamison Crowder, your running back is Frank Gore and you're constantly playing from behind, your numbers are always going to look worse.

Give that guy some talent around him and then compare the numbers. Until then, the numbers mean nothing.

How do you think Cousins would look on the Jets with no Cook, Jefferson or Thielen to bail him out, and a worse offensive line? That's apples to apples.

As I see it, Cousins does one thing well. He throws a nice deep ball. That's it. After that, the cupboards are bare.

Good QB's manage to put up respectable numbers with bad teams. I think Cousins would put decent numbers with the Colts like he did with some lousy Washington teams.

Cousins has one chance of putting up great numbers..............an absolutely a clear pocket for 10 seconds. In today's game he's marginal, at-best.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:20:33 PM   
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Omg really Titans way better.

lost me on that one

Waaaaaaaaaaaay better. Derrick Henry is bigger, tougher, stronger and maybe even faster than Cook. He had more long touchdown runs than anyone in the league last year and had a 94-yarder this season. AJ Brown is a freakish athlete. I'd rank Jefferson in front of him by a nose as a receiver, but he will make some massive plays for you. He's a game-changer.

I think you are way over-valuing Dalvin Cook. He's a very good player, but lets not great crazy. He's in a run-happy offense with good running schemes.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:36:52 PM   
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Omg really Titans way better.

lost me on that one

Waaaaaaaaaaaay better. Derrick Henry is bigger, tougher, stronger and maybe even faster than Cook. He had more long touchdown runs than anyone in the league last year and had a 94-yarder this season. AJ Brown is a freakish athlete. I'd rank Jefferson in front of him by a nose as a receiver, but he will make some massive plays for you. He's a game-changer.

I think you are way over-valuing Dalvin Cook. He's a very good player, but lets not great crazy. He's in a run-happy offense with good running schemes.

Tennessee has better OLine than MN.

Pure runner(make people miss): Cook

Breaking tackles: Henry

Speed: Cook(Henry breaks long runs because he's so hard to bring down)

Receiver: Cook

Blocker: Cook is good at picking up blitz, I'll assume Henry is too(at that size) Push

Ball Security: Henry

Conclusion: If they switched teams, Cook would have more success than Henry.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 3:39:48 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 4:12:30 PM   
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Brad, Have you seen the improvement in cousins in the last 5 or 6 games?

moving in pocket better, not great, but better.

Running at times. mostly for his life.

is overpaid, but have little choice for another year.

OL and play calling a bigger problem.

Bottom line is that Cousins is not worth anything close to what he is being paid. He is also not close to one of the ten worst QB in football.

Name 10 starting quarterbacks that are worse.

Mullens
Lock
Goff
Jones


It's actually closer than I thought:

Better than:
Cam Newton
Darnold
Carr
Smith
Trubisky

Debatable:

Bridgewater
Garoppolo
Wentz
Ryan
Tua
Burrow




Let me help:
Better than: Cam, Smith/Hoskins, Trubisky, Darnold Carr, Lock, Stafford, Garropolo, Wentz, Ryan, Tua, Burrow, Herbert, Rivers, Minshew, Jones, Teddy, Baker Mayfield, and Goff.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 4:15:47 PM   
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if there's one thing this team needs, I always say ... it's more religion.



I doubt it. There was, at LEAST, 43 times yesterday that I yelled "OH MY LORD" and not in a good way.

I had to chuckle while typing that too
By far, the most times I scream out biblical terms in a week, is during Viking games
There's other "words" sprinkled in, but hey ....

Mine is usually...

THROW IT.. THROW IT... THROW THE FN BALL!!!!

Then, FFS YA SHOULD HAVE THROWN IT OUT OF BOUNDS..

followed almost immediately by the classic:

PLEASE GOD, LET HIM MAKE THIS EXTRAPOINT/ FIELDGOAL..

a very close third is:

Jesus Christ, Tackle him!!!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 4:22:58 PM   
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Brad, Have you seen the improvement in cousins in the last 5 or 6 games?

moving in pocket better, not great, but better.

Running at times. mostly for his life.

is overpaid, but have little choice for another year.

OL and play calling a bigger problem.

Bottom line is that Cousins is not worth anything close to what he is being paid. He is also not close to one of the ten worst QB in football.

Name 10 starting quarterbacks that are worse.

Mullens
Lock
Goff
Jones


It's actually closer than I thought:

Better than:
Cam Newton
Darnold
Carr
Smith
Trubisky

Debatable:

Bridgewater
Garoppolo
Wentz
Ryan
Tua
Burrow




Let me help:
Better than: Cam, Smith/Hoskins, Trubisky, Darnold Carr, Lock, Stafford, Garropolo, Wentz, Ryan, Tua, Burrow, Herbert, Rivers, Minshew, Jones, Teddy, Baker Mayfield, and Goff.


Better than Herbert?
Have you had a chance to watch that kid play(serious quesiton, not snark)... he looks pretty darn special.

I like Tua/Burrow/Mayfield... but ymmv

Rivers/Ryan/Stafford/Goff... I think all these guys are basically the same as Cousins... can be good... flaws in their game.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 4:39:11 PM   
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If the rumors that Hunter wants to be the top paid DE in NFL are true,

I'd be inclined to try and trade him for a top 5 draft pick (Dallas?)

And take Wilson with the pick.

Then best OL next (or move back a little and get 2 best Guards with the capital).

Just dreaming.

First we need to dump Spiels and Zimmer.

Possibly another dream...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 4:46:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

Brad, Have you seen the improvement in cousins in the last 5 or 6 games?

moving in pocket better, not great, but better.

Running at times. mostly for his life.

is overpaid, but have little choice for another year.

OL and play calling a bigger problem.

Bottom line is that Cousins is not worth anything close to what he is being paid. He is also not close to one of the ten worst QB in football.

Name 10 starting quarterbacks that are worse.

Mullens
Lock
Goff
Jones


It's actually closer than I thought:

Better than:
Cam Newton
Darnold
Carr
Smith
Trubisky

Debatable:

Bridgewater
Garoppolo
Wentz
Ryan
Tua
Burrow




Let me help:
Better than: Cam, Smith/Hoskins, Trubisky, Darnold Carr, Lock, Stafford, Garropolo, Wentz, Ryan, Tua, Burrow, Herbert, Rivers, Minshew, Jones, Teddy, Baker Mayfield, and Goff.


Better than Herbert?
Have you had a chance to watch that kid play(serious quesiton, not snark)... he looks pretty darn special.

I like Tua/Burrow/Mayfield... but ymmv

Rivers/Ryan/Stafford/Goff... I think all these guys are basically the same as Cousins... can be good... flaws in their game.


Herbert has a chance to be great. Tua's hip could fall off at any moment. A healthy Stafford is as good as Kirk, IMO. But, he's never healthy. If I can't get Herbert, I'll keep Cousins for the remainder of his contract and try my luck in the draft.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/21/2020 4:47:00 PM   
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So

If the rumors that Hunter wants to be the top paid DE in NFL are true,

I'd be inclined to try and trade him for a top 5 draft pick (Dallas?)

And take Wilson with the pick.

Then best OL next (or move back a little and get 2 best Guards with the capital).

Just dreaming.

First we need to dump Spiels and Zimmer.

Possibly another dream...


Spiels isnt't going anywhere. They will point to Jefferson, Gladney, Dantzler and Cleveland being in the starting lineup with Wonum and Lynch making contributions and call it a successful draft, no matter how much better it could have been.

I don't think Zim is going anywhere either. They will point to Pierce, Hunter, Kendricks, Barr, etc. being out and give him a pass.

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