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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 6:34:02 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 7:09:26 PM   
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CMC 113 ypg
Cook 104 ypg


If you factor in the games they each missed, it become:

CMC 113 ypg
Cook 63 ypg

Yeah that's fair?????? NOT!!!!!!! Last year he missed 2. If he keeps trending to missing less games than the year before he will never miss another game.


Comparing yards per game and not ignoring the 19 missed games over 3 season, or more than one whole season, is totally fair especially when we talk about money they may earn in a year. If you have one employee that shows up 48 days in a time period and averages 113 units in that time period and another that averages 104 units, but shows up 29 days in that same time period, and misses 19 days for various reason, how much would you say the two people are worth? Are you really going to ignore the 19 missed days? The ability to stay healthy is a crucial thing in the NFL, especially for a Running Back. What would you say CMC trend of missing games is? Three season of 16 Games. Cook has never played 16 games. Trends are not Cook's friend in this case.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 7:11:02 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 7:32:26 PM   
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CMC 113 ypg
Cook 104 ypg


If you factor in the games they each missed, it become:

CMC 113 ypg
Cook 63 ypg

Yeah that's fair?????? NOT!!!!!!! Last year he missed 2. If he keeps trending to missing less games than the year before he will never miss another game.


Comparing yards per game and not ignoring the 19 missed games over 3 season, or more than one whole season, is totally fair especially when we talk about money they may earn in a year. If you have one employee that shows up 48 days in a time period and averages 113 units in that time period and another that averages 104 units, but shows up 29 days in that same time period, and misses 19 days for various reason, how much would you say the two people are worth? Are you really going to ignore the 19 missed days? The ability to stay healthy is a crucial thing in the NFL, especially for a Running Back. What would you say CMC trend of missing games is? Three season of 16 Games. Cook has never played 16 games. Trends are not Cook's friend in this case.

Small sample size. A slight adjustment would be fair, but you can't average it out. Assuming that since a player has missed games in the past he will continue to miss games in the future has been disproved over and over. It can go the other way also. Karl-Anthony Towns was a total Iron Man for his career and this season he missed a million games. You can't predict the future. Next year McCaffrey could miss the entire season while Cook plays every game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 7:48:39 PM   
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I'm surprised I caught elsewhere with no mention here of TJack dying in a car crash.


Its on the page before this one in this thread.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 7:51:56 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 7:59:59 PM   
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CMC 113 ypg
Cook 104 ypg


Which brings us to the point that how can the Vikings pay Cook the big bucks when he misses so many games. McCaffrey, correct me if I'm wrong, has not missed a single game. I would not pay the big bucks. I have memories of Adrian Peterson making the big bucks and then getting hurt. Why tie big money to any running back. They get hurt a lot and it probably happens even more frequently as they get older.



Robert Smith was hurt a lot early then he did pretty well.

Who's for tying big money to a RB?


The Panthers. Possibly the Vikings, but to a lesser extent.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 8:05:53 PM   
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Small sample size. A slight adjustment would be fair, but you can't average it out. Assuming that since a player has missed games in the past he will continue to miss games in the future has been disproved over and over. It can go the other way also. Karl-Anthony Towns was a total Iron Man for his career and this season he missed a million games. You can't predict the future. Next year McCaffrey could miss the entire season while Cook plays every game.


Cook's whole career is a small sample size? Even if that was true, it is the whole sample size we have to look at.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 8:08:12 PM   
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The Panthers. Possibly the Vikings, but to a lesser extent.


The Cowboys. The Rams. The Vikings with Peterson. I sure hope we do not rejoin the list. Spending big money on a Running Back is rarely a wise choice.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 8:14:46 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 8:22:30 PM   
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Small sample size. A slight adjustment would be fair, but you can't average it out. Assuming that since a player has missed games in the past he will continue to miss games in the future has been disproved over and over. It can go the other way also. Karl-Anthony Towns was a total Iron Man for his career and this season he missed a million games. You can't predict the future. Next year McCaffrey could miss the entire season while Cook plays every game.


Cook's whole career is a small sample size? Even if that was true, it is the whole sample size we have to look at.

It's not enough to establish much. He missed 17 games between seasons one and two. If you go by that you would have expected him to miss 8 or 9 games last year, but he only missed 2. If I were to make an over/under for games played for Cook assuming we have a full season I would put it at 13.5. I would give McCaffrey 14.5.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 8:58:20 PM   
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Tarvaris Jackson dies in a tragic accident, and there are only 2 posts about it today? WTF? Let's get our priorities straight.


I read he lost control of his vehicle. (no other vehicles involved) Do we know why?

A young life was lost. It is very sad.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 9:45:07 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/13/2020 9:45:30 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/14/2020 1:39:03 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/14/2020 2:24:56 AM   
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He wasn't a great player, but I still liked him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/14/2020 2:34:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very few RBs shine throughout their second contract, or as they enter their late 20s. The pounding catches up to them.

AD was a rare beast. Makes me even more appreciative of his talent.

Unlike AD, Cook has not been as durable early on. Hopefully he can replicate how Robert Smith was better as he aged...

Running styles are a factor as well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/14/2020 4:35:40 AM   
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Very few RBs shine throughout their second contract, or as they enter their late 20s. The pounding catches up to them.

AD was a rare beast. Makes me even more appreciative of his talent.

Unlike AD, Cook has not been as durable early on. Hopefully he can replicate how Robert Smith was better as he aged...

Running styles are a factor as well.


Right. A good example was Earl Campbell. In those days college players had to play through their Senior year and at Texas he was the main guy for all four seasons. That was 765 rushes! Then as an Oiler, he averaged nearly 24 carries per game during his first four seasons plus he played in the post-season. As a running back he was a punishing back who didn't shy from the hits, but after four seasons he wasn't the same and he lasted only 8 years as a Pro.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/14/2020 9:26:02 AM   
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Very few RBs shine throughout their second contract, or as they enter their late 20s. The pounding catches up to them.

AD was a rare beast. Makes me even more appreciative of his talent.

Unlike AD, Cook has not been as durable early on. Hopefully he can replicate how Robert Smith was better as he aged...

Running styles are a factor as well.


Right. A good example was Earl Campbell. In those days college players had to play through their Senior year and at Texas he was the main guy for all four seasons. That was 765 rushes! Then as an Oiler, he averaged nearly 24 carries per game during his first four seasons plus he played in the post-season. As a running back he was a punishing back who didn't shy from the hits, but after four seasons he wasn't the same and he lasted only 8 years as a Pro.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/14/2020 9:53:44 AM   
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Very few RBs shine throughout their second contract, or as they enter their late 20s. The pounding catches up to them.

AD was a rare beast. Makes me even more appreciative of his talent.

Unlike AD, Cook has not been as durable early on. Hopefully he can replicate how Robert Smith was better as he aged...

Running styles are a factor as well.


Right. A good example was Earl Campbell. In those days college players had to play through their Senior year and at Texas he was the main guy for all four seasons. That was 765 rushes! Then as an Oiler, he averaged nearly 24 carries per game during his first four seasons plus he played in the post-season. As a running back he was a punishing back who didn't shy from the hits, but after four seasons he wasn't the same and he lasted only 8 years as a Pro.

Skoal, brother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IY536oUtRc


I enjoyed that so much! Awesome!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/15/2020 7:25:08 AM   
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Some good news for the #Vikings: Hear that CB Mike Hughes (neck) is doing well and ready to go whenever things get going. He missed the two playoff games, which seems like forever ago.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/15/2020 8:59:35 AM   
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No way do you pay a running back, I heard a very interesting think on the radio by an ex NFL lineman. He said running in today's NFL is all about how many are in the box and calling an audible in or out of a running play based on having as many blockers as defenders. He said years ago it was different, he said they would run even when there was more defenders than blockers and it was up to the running back to get the extra guy to miss. I found it very interesting.

He said Henry ran well for Titans because Tannehill was burning teams with the deep ball and defenses would rather give up 5 yards a crack to Henry vs the long pass.

I just wouldn't pay Cook, no way. OLine and a passing game would do more for a running game than who is the running back.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/15/2020 10:40:50 AM   
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So, as I reported this morning on
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, Source has told me that the Browns and Vikings are in discussions on a trade that would send
@obj
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Report: #Browns and #Vikings have had discussions on a trade for WR Odell Beckham Jr. per
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/15/2020 11:00:00 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/15/2020 11:04:00 AM   
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SKORNORTH reporting OBJ trade talks?

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So, as I reported this morning on
@MandMWFAN
, Source has told me that the Browns and Vikings are in discussions on a trade that would send
@obj
to the Vikings for a 2nd and 5th round pick next year. Trade is not done, but the deal is being discussed.
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Report: #Browns and #Vikings have had discussions on a trade for WR Odell Beckham Jr. per
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. it is not a done deal but sources told Malusis not to be surprised if it happens for a 2nd and 5th round pick


Uh, oh. We can't have a guy on our team that lost a fight against the kicking net.
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