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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/23/2021 12:03:23 PM   
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below is an explanation of hunter's revised contract - imo it looks very advantageous for the Vikings, the details not being what many journalists had described...the new deal is through the 2023 season like before...the balance on the new deal is the exact amount that was on the original contract, but we're giving much of it to hunter upfront - $5m+ in 2021 and $18m in 2022 - to keep the salary cap hits low, the $18m can be converted into a signing bonus that is spread out through the remaining '22 and '23 years and two dead years beyond that....

people talk about it like they expect the vikings and hunter's people to work out another new deal in early 2022, but if that doesn't happen this deal will suffice....



Hunter’s deal originally had three years remaining, and in the reworking Corry said the Vikings added two voidable years, but that they have added no new money. Most notably, the Vikings moved $7.25 million of salary from 2023 to 2022 and provided an $18 million roster bonus due on the fifth day of the new league year next March. Corry said the $18 million could end up being converted to a signing bonus and spread out over four years.

It’s likely the deal will be redone again in some manner by next March. But in the event there are issues with negotiations, Corry said there is language in the contract likely eliminating any possibility of a 2022 holdout by Hunter.

“If they’re at an impasse, they’re miles apart, they’ll convert the ($18 million) bonus and then go from there,” Corry said on the podcast. “And he’s now boxed himself in where he will lose this $18 million if he has a training-camp holdout. Smart move by the Vikings. … They didn’t give him a hammer of leverage where they’re basically at his mercy and have to do what he wants to get done, and otherwise they have to cut him.”

NFL Media previously reported some details on Hunter’s contract. Corry confirmed Hunter will have $5.6 million of his $12.15 million base salary in 2021 converted to a signing bonus. Because two voidable years were added to the deal, there will be $1.12 million counting on the salary cap in each of next five seasons through 2025, enabling Minnesota to save $4.48 million on the cap in 2021.

Corry said on the podcast that Hunter’s cap number will drop from $17.25 million to $12.77 million in 2021. He said the Vikings will pay his $100,000 workout bonus even though he missed OTAs and will guarantee a $500,000 roster bonus he has for games played. So that leaves him with all of his $12.75 million guaranteed in 2021 after previously having just $3.3 million guaranteed.

Although Hunter’s contract is likely to be reworked by next March, Corry said Hunter is now on the books for a $26.12 million cap number in 2022, but it could be dropped to $12.62 million if the $18 million roster bonus is turned into a signing bonus and spread out. In addition to the $18 million, Hunter also has on the books in 2022 a $1.4 million base salary, a $500,000 roster bonus for games played and a $100,000 workout bonus.

Corry said Hunter is now on the books in 2023 for a $4.9 million base salary, $500,000 games-played bonus and a $100,000 workout bonus for a total of $5.5 million. Corry said a total of $38.25 million had been left on Hunter’s contract before the reworking, and that hasn’t changed.

With the Vikings saving $4.48 million on the cap for 2021, they now have about $14.8 million of cap room. That number will drop to about $14.5 million when third-round draft picks Chazz Surratt, Wyatt Davis and Patrick Jones II are signed since they will displace other players on Minnesota’s top-51 salary list.



So essentially the only good for Hunter out of this is "So that leaves him with all of his $12.75 million guaranteed in 2021 after previously having just $3.3 million guaranteed."? I understand wanting the money guaranteed, but what would have driven his worries about not getting it all anyway?


The way I understand it was that Hunter's main worry was that he comes out in 2021 and delivers on the same level he did in 2018 and 2019 and would be still stuck in a contract that paid him about $13 million per year. With the change, he now gets $12.75 million up front and if he plays awesome then he gets $20 million in 2022 at a minimum but most likely gets a lucrative extension because the cap hit is $26 million.

He's betting on himself.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/23/2021 12:06:45 PM   
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below is an explanation of hunter's revised contract - imo it looks very advantageous for the Vikings, the details not being what many journalists had described...the new deal is through the 2023 season like before...the balance on the new deal is the exact amount that was on the original contract, but we're giving much of it to hunter upfront - $5m+ in 2021 and $18m in 2022 - to keep the salary cap hits low, the $18m can be converted into a signing bonus that is spread out through the remaining '22 and '23 years and two dead years beyond that....

people talk about it like they expect the vikings and hunter's people to work out another new deal in early 2022, but if that doesn't happen this deal will suffice....



Hunter’s deal originally had three years remaining, and in the reworking Corry said the Vikings added two voidable years, but that they have added no new money. Most notably, the Vikings moved $7.25 million of salary from 2023 to 2022 and provided an $18 million roster bonus due on the fifth day of the new league year next March. Corry said the $18 million could end up being converted to a signing bonus and spread out over four years.

It’s likely the deal will be redone again in some manner by next March. But in the event there are issues with negotiations, Corry said there is language in the contract likely eliminating any possibility of a 2022 holdout by Hunter.

“If they’re at an impasse, they’re miles apart, they’ll convert the ($18 million) bonus and then go from there,” Corry said on the podcast. “And he’s now boxed himself in where he will lose this $18 million if he has a training-camp holdout. Smart move by the Vikings. … They didn’t give him a hammer of leverage where they’re basically at his mercy and have to do what he wants to get done, and otherwise they have to cut him.”

NFL Media previously reported some details on Hunter’s contract. Corry confirmed Hunter will have $5.6 million of his $12.15 million base salary in 2021 converted to a signing bonus. Because two voidable years were added to the deal, there will be $1.12 million counting on the salary cap in each of next five seasons through 2025, enabling Minnesota to save $4.48 million on the cap in 2021.

Corry said on the podcast that Hunter’s cap number will drop from $17.25 million to $12.77 million in 2021. He said the Vikings will pay his $100,000 workout bonus even though he missed OTAs and will guarantee a $500,000 roster bonus he has for games played. So that leaves him with all of his $12.75 million guaranteed in 2021 after previously having just $3.3 million guaranteed.

Although Hunter’s contract is likely to be reworked by next March, Corry said Hunter is now on the books for a $26.12 million cap number in 2022, but it could be dropped to $12.62 million if the $18 million roster bonus is turned into a signing bonus and spread out. In addition to the $18 million, Hunter also has on the books in 2022 a $1.4 million base salary, a $500,000 roster bonus for games played and a $100,000 workout bonus.

Corry said Hunter is now on the books in 2023 for a $4.9 million base salary, $500,000 games-played bonus and a $100,000 workout bonus for a total of $5.5 million. Corry said a total of $38.25 million had been left on Hunter’s contract before the reworking, and that hasn’t changed.

With the Vikings saving $4.48 million on the cap for 2021, they now have about $14.8 million of cap room. That number will drop to about $14.5 million when third-round draft picks Chazz Surratt, Wyatt Davis and Patrick Jones II are signed since they will displace other players on Minnesota’s top-51 salary list.



So essentially the only good for Hunter out of this is "So that leaves him with all of his $12.75 million guaranteed in 2021 after previously having just $3.3 million guaranteed."? I understand wanting the money guaranteed, but what would have driven his worries about not getting it all anyway?


yeah - once he's been cleared to play you would think that the entire year is guaranteed for injury...this deal reads to me like another restructure more than anything...unless they are really going to redo it again, but there doesn't seem like any guarantee that that has to happen....

when hunter receives the $18m next year he's accepting the balance of the deal, too....

it wouldn't surprise me if hunter gets a new agent next year and demands a total redo....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/23/2021 12:10:02 PM   
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below is an explanation of hunter's revised contract - imo it looks very advantageous for the Vikings, the details not being what many journalists had described...the new deal is through the 2023 season like before...the balance on the new deal is the exact amount that was on the original contract, but we're giving much of it to hunter upfront - $5m+ in 2021 and $18m in 2022 - to keep the salary cap hits low, the $18m can be converted into a signing bonus that is spread out through the remaining '22 and '23 years and two dead years beyond that....

people talk about it like they expect the vikings and hunter's people to work out another new deal in early 2022, but if that doesn't happen this deal will suffice....



Hunter’s deal originally had three years remaining, and in the reworking Corry said the Vikings added two voidable years, but that they have added no new money. Most notably, the Vikings moved $7.25 million of salary from 2023 to 2022 and provided an $18 million roster bonus due on the fifth day of the new league year next March. Corry said the $18 million could end up being converted to a signing bonus and spread out over four years.

It’s likely the deal will be redone again in some manner by next March. But in the event there are issues with negotiations, Corry said there is language in the contract likely eliminating any possibility of a 2022 holdout by Hunter.

“If they’re at an impasse, they’re miles apart, they’ll convert the ($18 million) bonus and then go from there,” Corry said on the podcast. “And he’s now boxed himself in where he will lose this $18 million if he has a training-camp holdout. Smart move by the Vikings. … They didn’t give him a hammer of leverage where they’re basically at his mercy and have to do what he wants to get done, and otherwise they have to cut him.”

NFL Media previously reported some details on Hunter’s contract. Corry confirmed Hunter will have $5.6 million of his $12.15 million base salary in 2021 converted to a signing bonus. Because two voidable years were added to the deal, there will be $1.12 million counting on the salary cap in each of next five seasons through 2025, enabling Minnesota to save $4.48 million on the cap in 2021.

Corry said on the podcast that Hunter’s cap number will drop from $17.25 million to $12.77 million in 2021. He said the Vikings will pay his $100,000 workout bonus even though he missed OTAs and will guarantee a $500,000 roster bonus he has for games played. So that leaves him with all of his $12.75 million guaranteed in 2021 after previously having just $3.3 million guaranteed.

Although Hunter’s contract is likely to be reworked by next March, Corry said Hunter is now on the books for a $26.12 million cap number in 2022, but it could be dropped to $12.62 million if the $18 million roster bonus is turned into a signing bonus and spread out. In addition to the $18 million, Hunter also has on the books in 2022 a $1.4 million base salary, a $500,000 roster bonus for games played and a $100,000 workout bonus.

Corry said Hunter is now on the books in 2023 for a $4.9 million base salary, $500,000 games-played bonus and a $100,000 workout bonus for a total of $5.5 million. Corry said a total of $38.25 million had been left on Hunter’s contract before the reworking, and that hasn’t changed.

With the Vikings saving $4.48 million on the cap for 2021, they now have about $14.8 million of cap room. That number will drop to about $14.5 million when third-round draft picks Chazz Surratt, Wyatt Davis and Patrick Jones II are signed since they will displace other players on Minnesota’s top-51 salary list.



So essentially the only good for Hunter out of this is "So that leaves him with all of his $12.75 million guaranteed in 2021 after previously having just $3.3 million guaranteed."? I understand wanting the money guaranteed, but what would have driven his worries about not getting it all anyway?


The way I understand it was that Hunter's main worry was that he comes out in 2021 and delivers on the same level he did in 2018 and 2019 and would be still stuck in a contract that paid him about $13 million per year. With the change, he now gets $12.75 million up front and if he plays awesome then he gets $20 million in 2022 at a minimum but most likely gets a lucrative extension because the cap hit is $26 million.

He's betting on himself.



we can lower the cap hit by converting the $18m to a signing bonus - that takes $13.5m out of the 2022 cap hit....

maybe hunter just loves up front money....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/23/2021 12:23:51 PM   
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below is an explanation of hunter's revised contract - imo it looks very advantageous for the Vikings, the details not being what many journalists had described...the new deal is through the 2023 season like before...the balance on the new deal is the exact amount that was on the original contract, but we're giving much of it to hunter upfront - $5m+ in 2021 and $18m in 2022 - to keep the salary cap hits low, the $18m can be converted into a signing bonus that is spread out through the remaining '22 and '23 years and two dead years beyond that....

people talk about it like they expect the vikings and hunter's people to work out another new deal in early 2022, but if that doesn't happen this deal will suffice....



Hunter’s deal originally had three years remaining, and in the reworking Corry said the Vikings added two voidable years, but that they have added no new money. Most notably, the Vikings moved $7.25 million of salary from 2023 to 2022 and provided an $18 million roster bonus due on the fifth day of the new league year next March. Corry said the $18 million could end up being converted to a signing bonus and spread out over four years.

It’s likely the deal will be redone again in some manner by next March. But in the event there are issues with negotiations, Corry said there is language in the contract likely eliminating any possibility of a 2022 holdout by Hunter.

“If they’re at an impasse, they’re miles apart, they’ll convert the ($18 million) bonus and then go from there,” Corry said on the podcast. “And he’s now boxed himself in where he will lose this $18 million if he has a training-camp holdout. Smart move by the Vikings. … They didn’t give him a hammer of leverage where they’re basically at his mercy and have to do what he wants to get done, and otherwise they have to cut him.”

NFL Media previously reported some details on Hunter’s contract. Corry confirmed Hunter will have $5.6 million of his $12.15 million base salary in 2021 converted to a signing bonus. Because two voidable years were added to the deal, there will be $1.12 million counting on the salary cap in each of next five seasons through 2025, enabling Minnesota to save $4.48 million on the cap in 2021.

Corry said on the podcast that Hunter’s cap number will drop from $17.25 million to $12.77 million in 2021. He said the Vikings will pay his $100,000 workout bonus even though he missed OTAs and will guarantee a $500,000 roster bonus he has for games played. So that leaves him with all of his $12.75 million guaranteed in 2021 after previously having just $3.3 million guaranteed.

Although Hunter’s contract is likely to be reworked by next March, Corry said Hunter is now on the books for a $26.12 million cap number in 2022, but it could be dropped to $12.62 million if the $18 million roster bonus is turned into a signing bonus and spread out. In addition to the $18 million, Hunter also has on the books in 2022 a $1.4 million base salary, a $500,000 roster bonus for games played and a $100,000 workout bonus.

Corry said Hunter is now on the books in 2023 for a $4.9 million base salary, $500,000 games-played bonus and a $100,000 workout bonus for a total of $5.5 million. Corry said a total of $38.25 million had been left on Hunter’s contract before the reworking, and that hasn’t changed.

With the Vikings saving $4.48 million on the cap for 2021, they now have about $14.8 million of cap room. That number will drop to about $14.5 million when third-round draft picks Chazz Surratt, Wyatt Davis and Patrick Jones II are signed since they will displace other players on Minnesota’s top-51 salary list.



So essentially the only good for Hunter out of this is "So that leaves him with all of his $12.75 million guaranteed in 2021 after previously having just $3.3 million guaranteed."? I understand wanting the money guaranteed, but what would have driven his worries about not getting it all anyway?


The way I understand it was that Hunter's main worry was that he comes out in 2021 and delivers on the same level he did in 2018 and 2019 and would be still stuck in a contract that paid him about $13 million per year. With the change, he now gets $12.75 million up front and if he plays awesome then he gets $20 million in 2022 at a minimum but most likely gets a lucrative extension because the cap hit is $26 million.

He's betting on himself.



we can lower the cap hit by converting the $18m to a signing bonus - that takes $13.5m out of the 2022 cap hit....

maybe hunter just loves up front money....


If hunter balls out in 2021 the team will redo his deal. The object of being a franchise is to win a title - not see how low you can pay your most talented and productive players. This whole ‘you signed a deal now live up to it’ line of thinking is absurd.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/23/2021 12:31:38 PM   
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Basically Hunter's contract was set up to force both parties to the table by March.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/23/2021 12:34:33 PM   
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below is an explanation of hunter's revised contract - imo it looks very advantageous for the Vikings, the details not being what many journalists had described...the new deal is through the 2023 season like before...the balance on the new deal is the exact amount that was on the original contract, but we're giving much of it to hunter upfront - $5m+ in 2021 and $18m in 2022 - to keep the salary cap hits low, the $18m can be converted into a signing bonus that is spread out through the remaining '22 and '23 years and two dead years beyond that....

people talk about it like they expect the vikings and hunter's people to work out another new deal in early 2022, but if that doesn't happen this deal will suffice....



Hunter’s deal originally had three years remaining, and in the reworking Corry said the Vikings added two voidable years, but that they have added no new money. Most notably, the Vikings moved $7.25 million of salary from 2023 to 2022 and provided an $18 million roster bonus due on the fifth day of the new league year next March. Corry said the $18 million could end up being converted to a signing bonus and spread out over four years.

It’s likely the deal will be redone again in some manner by next March. But in the event there are issues with negotiations, Corry said there is language in the contract likely eliminating any possibility of a 2022 holdout by Hunter.

“If they’re at an impasse, they’re miles apart, they’ll convert the ($18 million) bonus and then go from there,” Corry said on the podcast. “And he’s now boxed himself in where he will lose this $18 million if he has a training-camp holdout. Smart move by the Vikings. … They didn’t give him a hammer of leverage where they’re basically at his mercy and have to do what he wants to get done, and otherwise they have to cut him.”

NFL Media previously reported some details on Hunter’s contract. Corry confirmed Hunter will have $5.6 million of his $12.15 million base salary in 2021 converted to a signing bonus. Because two voidable years were added to the deal, there will be $1.12 million counting on the salary cap in each of next five seasons through 2025, enabling Minnesota to save $4.48 million on the cap in 2021.

Corry said on the podcast that Hunter’s cap number will drop from $17.25 million to $12.77 million in 2021. He said the Vikings will pay his $100,000 workout bonus even though he missed OTAs and will guarantee a $500,000 roster bonus he has for games played. So that leaves him with all of his $12.75 million guaranteed in 2021 after previously having just $3.3 million guaranteed.

Although Hunter’s contract is likely to be reworked by next March, Corry said Hunter is now on the books for a $26.12 million cap number in 2022, but it could be dropped to $12.62 million if the $18 million roster bonus is turned into a signing bonus and spread out. In addition to the $18 million, Hunter also has on the books in 2022 a $1.4 million base salary, a $500,000 roster bonus for games played and a $100,000 workout bonus.

Corry said Hunter is now on the books in 2023 for a $4.9 million base salary, $500,000 games-played bonus and a $100,000 workout bonus for a total of $5.5 million. Corry said a total of $38.25 million had been left on Hunter’s contract before the reworking, and that hasn’t changed.

With the Vikings saving $4.48 million on the cap for 2021, they now have about $14.8 million of cap room. That number will drop to about $14.5 million when third-round draft picks Chazz Surratt, Wyatt Davis and Patrick Jones II are signed since they will displace other players on Minnesota’s top-51 salary list.



So essentially the only good for Hunter out of this is "So that leaves him with all of his $12.75 million guaranteed in 2021 after previously having just $3.3 million guaranteed."? I understand wanting the money guaranteed, but what would have driven his worries about not getting it all anyway?


The way I understand it was that Hunter's main worry was that he comes out in 2021 and delivers on the same level he did in 2018 and 2019 and would be still stuck in a contract that paid him about $13 million per year. With the change, he now gets $12.75 million up front and if he plays awesome then he gets $20 million in 2022 at a minimum but most likely gets a lucrative extension because the cap hit is $26 million.

He's betting on himself.



we can lower the cap hit by converting the $18m to a signing bonus - that takes $13.5m out of the 2022 cap hit....

maybe hunter just loves up front money....


If hunter balls out in 2021 the team will redo his deal. The object of being a franchise is to win a title - not see how low you can pay your most talented and productive players. This whole ‘you signed a deal now live up to it’ line of thinking is absurd.



nobody is making that argument - for sure hunter deserves a higher annual number, but you have to assume that the new language was agreed upon for a reason - as a fallback - the way it was first presented, last week, was that the $18m was a guarantee that the vikings either redo the deal or let hunter go, but now the $18m is starting to look like something that the team could live with...it's more of a curiosity than anything....





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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/23/2021 1:05:24 PM   
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below is an explanation of hunter's revised contract - imo it looks very advantageous for the Vikings, the details not being what many journalists had described...the new deal is through the 2023 season like before...the balance on the new deal is the exact amount that was on the original contract, but we're giving much of it to hunter upfront - $5m+ in 2021 and $18m in 2022 - to keep the salary cap hits low, the $18m can be converted into a signing bonus that is spread out through the remaining '22 and '23 years and two dead years beyond that....

people talk about it like they expect the vikings and hunter's people to work out another new deal in early 2022, but if that doesn't happen this deal will suffice....



Hunter’s deal originally had three years remaining, and in the reworking Corry said the Vikings added two voidable years, but that they have added no new money. Most notably, the Vikings moved $7.25 million of salary from 2023 to 2022 and provided an $18 million roster bonus due on the fifth day of the new league year next March. Corry said the $18 million could end up being converted to a signing bonus and spread out over four years.

It’s likely the deal will be redone again in some manner by next March. But in the event there are issues with negotiations, Corry said there is language in the contract likely eliminating any possibility of a 2022 holdout by Hunter.

“If they’re at an impasse, they’re miles apart, they’ll convert the ($18 million) bonus and then go from there,” Corry said on the podcast. “And he’s now boxed himself in where he will lose this $18 million if he has a training-camp holdout. Smart move by the Vikings. … They didn’t give him a hammer of leverage where they’re basically at his mercy and have to do what he wants to get done, and otherwise they have to cut him.”

NFL Media previously reported some details on Hunter’s contract. Corry confirmed Hunter will have $5.6 million of his $12.15 million base salary in 2021 converted to a signing bonus. Because two voidable years were added to the deal, there will be $1.12 million counting on the salary cap in each of next five seasons through 2025, enabling Minnesota to save $4.48 million on the cap in 2021.

Corry said on the podcast that Hunter’s cap number will drop from $17.25 million to $12.77 million in 2021. He said the Vikings will pay his $100,000 workout bonus even though he missed OTAs and will guarantee a $500,000 roster bonus he has for games played. So that leaves him with all of his $12.75 million guaranteed in 2021 after previously having just $3.3 million guaranteed.

Although Hunter’s contract is likely to be reworked by next March, Corry said Hunter is now on the books for a $26.12 million cap number in 2022, but it could be dropped to $12.62 million if the $18 million roster bonus is turned into a signing bonus and spread out. In addition to the $18 million, Hunter also has on the books in 2022 a $1.4 million base salary, a $500,000 roster bonus for games played and a $100,000 workout bonus.

Corry said Hunter is now on the books in 2023 for a $4.9 million base salary, $500,000 games-played bonus and a $100,000 workout bonus for a total of $5.5 million. Corry said a total of $38.25 million had been left on Hunter’s contract before the reworking, and that hasn’t changed.

With the Vikings saving $4.48 million on the cap for 2021, they now have about $14.8 million of cap room. That number will drop to about $14.5 million when third-round draft picks Chazz Surratt, Wyatt Davis and Patrick Jones II are signed since they will displace other players on Minnesota’s top-51 salary list.



So essentially the only good for Hunter out of this is "So that leaves him with all of his $12.75 million guaranteed in 2021 after previously having just $3.3 million guaranteed."? I understand wanting the money guaranteed, but what would have driven his worries about not getting it all anyway?


The way I understand it was that Hunter's main worry was that he comes out in 2021 and delivers on the same level he did in 2018 and 2019 and would be still stuck in a contract that paid him about $13 million per year. With the change, he now gets $12.75 million up front and if he plays awesome then he gets $20 million in 2022 at a minimum but most likely gets a lucrative extension because the cap hit is $26 million.

He's betting on himself.


But as long as he "played" he was getting that money anyway.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/23/2021 1:45:08 PM   
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You mean offseason bitch fest?

About guns and covid

Lawyers, guns, and COVID
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/23/2021 3:31:18 PM   
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Basically Hunter's contract was set up to force both parties to the table by March.


Could have been a number of things:

1) He wanted more money, this was the best he could get and believes he can cash in next year
2) He decided to do a face saving deal once he realized his limited leverage
3) He is worried about his *neck* and wanted the guarantee

My optimistic side says #2... there has been some buzz via Paul Allen that he has bad influences in his ear.

I don't want to think about #3.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/23/2021 5:43:20 PM   
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You mean offseason bitch fest?

About guns and covid

Lawyers, guns, and COVID
The shit has hit the fan.

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Yup. Him and Yumi Matsutoya.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/23/2021 6:52:58 PM   
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Basically Hunter's contract was set up to force both parties to the table by March.


Could have been a number of things:

1) He wanted more money, this was the best he could get and believes he can cash in next year
2) He decided to do a face saving deal once he realized his limited leverage
3) He is worried about his *neck* and wanted the guarantee

My optimistic side says #2... there has been some buzz via Paul Allen that he has bad influences in his ear.

I don't want to think about #3.

I think it's a combination of all three.

His initial ext was fair at the time. Since then it has blown up with Mack Bosa and Garrett.

It may not be the neck per se, but the injury probably forced him to a come to jesus moment that a career in the NFL can sometimes be shorter than expected.

No he didn't have a ton of leverage but the redo gets them to the table after the season as Sweens pointed out.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/23/2021 10:06:45 PM   
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i think that spielman's attitude is 'we'll pay hunter when cousins is off the books'...in 2023...now, the Vikings winning a super bowl this season could be the worst thing for Danielle - we extend cousins for a couple of more seasons and there's no money for a top tier defensive end in our budget....

the upside for danielle hunter is that the vikings are going to give him over $30m in cash over the next eight months - hunter doesn't give a shit about cap numbers - 'real money' is what he likes...he's become addicted to 'upfront' money via the restructures that we've done with him in the past....

in 2023 hunter is scheduled to receive only $5.5m in new money, with a cap hit of $8.6m - the media is going to go ape shit if/when that happens....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 10:59:28 AM   
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i think that spielman's attitude is 'we'll pay hunter when cousins is off the books'...in 2023...now, the Vikings winning a super bowl this season could be the worst thing for Danielle - we extend cousins for a couple of more seasons and there's no money for a top tier defensive end in our budget....

the upside for danielle hunter is that the vikings are going to give him over $30m in cash over the next eight months - hunter doesn't give a shit about cap numbers - 'real money' is what he likes...he's become addicted to 'upfront' money via the restructures that we've done with him in the past....

in 2023 hunter is scheduled to receive only $5.5m in new money, with a cap hit of $8.6m - the media is going to go ape shit if/when that happens....

Nope. The Vikings are pushing paying him back to where the salary cap explodes. It's going exponentially in the coming years. If they win the win the Superbowl, they could theoretically extend Cousins and pay Hunter.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 12:14:11 PM   
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i think that spielman's attitude is 'we'll pay hunter when cousins is off the books'...in 2023...now, the Vikings winning a super bowl this season could be the worst thing for Danielle - we extend cousins for a couple of more seasons and there's no money for a top tier defensive end in our budget....

the upside for danielle hunter is that the vikings are going to give him over $30m in cash over the next eight months - hunter doesn't give a shit about cap numbers - 'real money' is what he likes...he's become addicted to 'upfront' money via the restructures that we've done with him in the past....

in 2023 hunter is scheduled to receive only $5.5m in new money, with a cap hit of $8.6m - the media is going to go ape shit if/when that happens....

Nope. The Vikings are pushing paying him back to where the salary cap explodes. It's going exponentially in the coming years. If they win the win the Superbowl, they could theoretically extend Cousins and pay Hunter.

and when the players see that growth they will quickly agree to 18 game season.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 12:28:04 PM   
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i think that spielman's attitude is 'we'll pay hunter when cousins is off the books'...in 2023...now, the Vikings winning a super bowl this season could be the worst thing for Danielle - we extend cousins for a couple of more seasons and there's no money for a top tier defensive end in our budget....

the upside for danielle hunter is that the vikings are going to give him over $30m in cash over the next eight months - hunter doesn't give a shit about cap numbers - 'real money' is what he likes...he's become addicted to 'upfront' money via the restructures that we've done with him in the past....

in 2023 hunter is scheduled to receive only $5.5m in new money, with a cap hit of $8.6m - the media is going to go ape shit if/when that happens....

If we win the super bowl but it's mostly because the defense is lights out, and cousins performs more as a game manager then cousins might not get such a big bump
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 12:42:01 PM   
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i think that spielman's attitude is 'we'll pay hunter when cousins is off the books'...in 2023...now, the Vikings winning a super bowl this season could be the worst thing for Danielle - we extend cousins for a couple of more seasons and there's no money for a top tier defensive end in our budget....

the upside for danielle hunter is that the vikings are going to give him over $30m in cash over the next eight months - hunter doesn't give a shit about cap numbers - 'real money' is what he likes...he's become addicted to 'upfront' money via the restructures that we've done with him in the past....

in 2023 hunter is scheduled to receive only $5.5m in new money, with a cap hit of $8.6m - the media is going to go ape shit if/when that happens....

Nope. The Vikings are pushing paying him back to where the salary cap explodes. It's going exponentially in the coming years. If they win the win the Superbowl, they could theoretically extend Cousins and pay Hunter.

and when the players see that growth they will quickly agree to 18 game season.


Why would they want to play 18 games?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 12:47:19 PM   
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i think that spielman's attitude is 'we'll pay hunter when cousins is off the books'...in 2023...now, the Vikings winning a super bowl this season could be the worst thing for Danielle - we extend cousins for a couple of more seasons and there's no money for a top tier defensive end in our budget....

the upside for danielle hunter is that the vikings are going to give him over $30m in cash over the next eight months - hunter doesn't give a shit about cap numbers - 'real money' is what he likes...he's become addicted to 'upfront' money via the restructures that we've done with him in the past....

in 2023 hunter is scheduled to receive only $5.5m in new money, with a cap hit of $8.6m - the media is going to go ape shit if/when that happens....

Nope. The Vikings are pushing paying him back to where the salary cap explodes. It's going exponentially in the coming years. If they win the win the Superbowl, they could theoretically extend Cousins and pay Hunter.

and when the players see that growth they will quickly agree to 18 game season.


Why would they want to play 18 games?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 1:43:46 PM   
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i think that spielman's attitude is 'we'll pay hunter when cousins is off the books'...in 2023...now, the Vikings winning a super bowl this season could be the worst thing for Danielle - we extend cousins for a couple of more seasons and there's no money for a top tier defensive end in our budget....

the upside for danielle hunter is that the vikings are going to give him over $30m in cash over the next eight months - hunter doesn't give a shit about cap numbers - 'real money' is what he likes...he's become addicted to 'upfront' money via the restructures that we've done with him in the past....

in 2023 hunter is scheduled to receive only $5.5m in new money, with a cap hit of $8.6m - the media is going to go ape shit if/when that happens....

Nope. The Vikings are pushing paying him back to where the salary cap explodes. It's going exponentially in the coming years. If they win the win the Superbowl, they could theoretically extend Cousins and pay Hunter.

and when the players see that growth they will quickly agree to 18 game season.


Why would they want to play 18 games?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Salaries are not going to somehow jump 11% because of two more games.

But injuries will likely increase...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 2:51:25 PM   
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i think that spielman's attitude is 'we'll pay hunter when cousins is off the books'...in 2023...now, the Vikings winning a super bowl this season could be the worst thing for Danielle - we extend cousins for a couple of more seasons and there's no money for a top tier defensive end in our budget....

the upside for danielle hunter is that the vikings are going to give him over $30m in cash over the next eight months - hunter doesn't give a shit about cap numbers - 'real money' is what he likes...he's become addicted to 'upfront' money via the restructures that we've done with him in the past....

in 2023 hunter is scheduled to receive only $5.5m in new money, with a cap hit of $8.6m - the media is going to go ape shit if/when that happens....

Nope. The Vikings are pushing paying him back to where the salary cap explodes. It's going exponentially in the coming years. If they win the win the Superbowl, they could theoretically extend Cousins and pay Hunter.

and when the players see that growth they will quickly agree to 18 game season.


Why would they want to play 18 games?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Salaries are not going to somehow jump 11% because of two more games.

But injuries will likely increase...


They would jump, how much is anybody's guess. Average NFL career is about 2.5 years I think, I doubt a couple extra games is going to change that.

You get every penny you can while you can.

NFLPA has no power because nobody is in the game long, if you go on strike for a year it is likely 40% of the league will never play again (so they sacrifice damn near 1/2 their career earnings so others can have it better but they just ended their career), so they lose everything.

The owners know this, the players know this and it does piss off the established players that will have long careers.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 2:59:13 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 3:32:10 PM   
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David Decastro just got released by the Steelers. Would be a worthwhile pickup - but then what would we do with either Cleveland or Davis?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 4:14:58 PM   
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i think that spielman's attitude is 'we'll pay hunter when cousins is off the books'...in 2023...now, the Vikings winning a super bowl this season could be the worst thing for Danielle - we extend cousins for a couple of more seasons and there's no money for a top tier defensive end in our budget....

the upside for danielle hunter is that the vikings are going to give him over $30m in cash over the next eight months - hunter doesn't give a shit about cap numbers - 'real money' is what he likes...he's become addicted to 'upfront' money via the restructures that we've done with him in the past....

in 2023 hunter is scheduled to receive only $5.5m in new money, with a cap hit of $8.6m - the media is going to go ape shit if/when that happens....

Nope. The Vikings are pushing paying him back to where the salary cap explodes. It's going exponentially in the coming years. If they win the win the Superbowl, they could theoretically extend Cousins and pay Hunter.

and when the players see that growth they will quickly agree to 18 game season.


Why would they want to play 18 games?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

The salary cap will be the same regardless of the number of games they play
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 4:32:39 PM   
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David Decastro just got released by the Steelers. Would be a worthwhile pickup - but then what would we do with either Cleveland or Davis?

What if either or both get hurt. Or let Davis marinade on the bench for a season.

Vs being thin on the IOL and having Dozier,Samia,or Cole to play

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 5:13:31 PM   
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I don't think anyone posted a link to this conversation between Bryant McFadden and Patrick Peterson. Wow, was he hyping Justin Jefferson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdU9XeI0laI

I had a little worry about sophomore slump, but none remains after listening to Peterson.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/24/2021 5:50:38 PM   
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David Decastro just got released by the Steelers. Would be a worthwhile pickup - but then what would we do with either Cleveland or Davis?

What if either or both get hurt. Or let Davis marinade on the bench for a season.

Vs being thin on the IOL and having Dozier,Samia,or Cole to play

If he's healthy, absolutely go get him. Wyatt and/or Cleveland can watch and learn. Injuries happen, so be ready.

That said, I'm not sure he's entirely healthy:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/24/steelers-release-david-decastro-with-nfi-designation/

I just don't think our O-line is guaranteed to be much better next year as is. Likely downgrade at LT (rookies are rarely 'good' right away), upgrade at LG (same concern about the rookie not being good, but hard to be as bad as Dozier). So then you're relying on improvement from Bradbury and Cleveland. A 2 year disappointment and a guy playing at a spot that's not a natural position for him. OL depth and a 3rd WR are probably our biggest needs.
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