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ORIGINAL: marty

Interesting article VRich, and also interesting that 49 fans don't seem to want Cousins.

One fan made a statement that Minnesota finally has stability at the QB spot, why would they want to give that up. It's great that Cousins has stayed healthy, but we want more than just a healthy QB, we want one with upside, that can be clutch, and having some mobility and pocket presence probably also wouldn't hurt.

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David, I am doing none of those things, but I may influence others to do those very things. Or I encourage someone like you, or someone on this message board to influence another person, and that other person ends up influencing someone to do one of the things you suggested.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Saw this posted....pretty much agree. Teams were bidding up on Stafford; why not see how much for Cousins. Use a pick on Lance or Fields and sign/trade for Fitz if needed. Doesn't have to be about Watson although that is the best case scenario.


All Things MN
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If the Vikings don’t attempt to trade Kirk Cousins, they’re absolutely crazy. SF, CAR, IND, NYJ, MIA, HOU, WAS (lol)??? Clearly there was a bidding war for Matt Stafford and Cousins is — at minimum — his equal.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Supposedly Houston wants two #1s, two #2s and two young (and obviously very good) defensive players.

Yep got to start somewhere. Sounds like a Hershel Walker Trade.

Except they gave up Hopkins for a lot less.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Supposedly Houston wants two #1s, two #2s and two young (and obviously very good) defensive players.

Yep got to start somewhere. Sounds like a Hershel Walker Trade.

Except they gave up Hopkins for a lot less.

Sure. But WRs have nowhere near the value of QBs.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Saw this posted....pretty much agree. Teams were bidding up on Stafford; why not see how much for Cousins. Use a pick on Lance or Fields and sign/trade for Fitz if needed. Doesn't have to be about Watson although that is the best case scenario.


All Things MN
@allthingsmn
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If the Vikings don’t attempt to trade Kirk Cousins, they’re absolutely crazy. SF, CAR, IND, NYJ, MIA, HOU, WAS (lol)??? Clearly there was a bidding war for Matt Stafford and Cousins is — at minimum — his equal.

Agreed. The Rams just mortgaged their future to get Stafford because they're in "win now" mode. If San Fran is "win now" mode, and they think Cousins is the man who can get them to the Superbowl, then they'll pay up. If I'm RS there's no way I give up Cousins for less than a 1st and a 3rd. If RS trades Cousins he HAS to get a QBOTF. The Vikings have no shot at Watson, but with San Fran's 1st round pick they might have a shot at Lance or Fields, quarterbacks with Watson-like skill sets.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Supposedly Houston wants two #1s, two #2s and two young (and obviously very good) defensive players.

Yep got to start somewhere. Sounds like a Hershel Walker Trade.

Except they gave up Hopkins for a lot less.

Sure. But WRs have nowhere near the value of QBs.

But they gave up Hopkins for a lot less than the Vikes gave up for Diggs who at the time of the trades was not generally considered Hopkins equal. That doesn't necessarily translate to how a Watson deal would play out, arguably the WR market had not been set at the time of the Hopkins trade, whereas now the QB market does appear to have been set.

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My worry about trading for Watson is less what we'd give up and more about Zim and Deshaun being an oil and water combination.

Does an "attack, attack and attack some more" QB mesh with a "get a lead and sit on it" HC?

I get why Watson wants Bieniemy. He wants to play in an offense like KC - and looking at last year's numbers, it seems perfect for him. 33 TDs, 7 INTs. Led the league in yards, yards/attempt and yards/completion.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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My worry about trading for Watson is less what we'd give up and more about Zim and Deshaun being an oil and water combination.

Does an "attack, attack and attack some more" QB mesh with a "get a lead and sit on it" HC?

I get why Watson wants Bieniemy. He wants to play in an offense like KC - and looking at last year's numbers, it seems perfect for him. 33 TDs, 7 INTs. Led the league in yards, yards/attempt and yards/completion.

In an oil and water scenario Zim would be sent packing. Coaches don't have a history of winning out against elite, franchise quarterbacks.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Almost a zero chance we trade Cousins. Unsourced rumors have us in a frenzy.

Also, no matter what you think of Cousins, could you imagine this regime getting QB right?

On the other hand, it tracks that we would trade for a lesser QB, rather than identify, draft and develop one. That's not what we do.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's a slim chance that Cousins gets traded and an even slimmer chance we ever land Watson. That doesn't mean either of them are impossible though. I remember being jeered at for suggesting Percy Harvin would be traded and then just like that one day he was traded. The same was said about Diggs. I for one choose to keep an open mind and see what plays out.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Almost a zero chance we trade Cousins. Unsourced rumors have us in a frenzy.

Also, no matter what you think of Cousins, could you imagine this regime getting QB right?

On the other hand, it tracks that we would trade for a lesser QB, rather than identify, draft and develop one. That's not what we do.

Exactly. This is like our QBnon, a less realistic conspiracy theory than QAnon.

Its worse than unsourced rumors ... which may or may not have a minuscule particle of lucked-into-it truth.

This is made up sh*t / click bait, designed for fans of non-SB teams with nothing better to do.

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Before Cousins (Bradford was not a premeditated strategy for improvement), the last time this regime felt the urge to 'go for it' and address our QB situation ... (and why wouldn't they after a 2013 Ponder / Cassel / Freeman season) ... in 2014 they went full-throttle overdrive and anointed back-up Cassel the starter, drafted a LB at #9 and traded back in to the last pick of round 1 for Teddy. (unsourced rumors had Manziel as our target).

This regime has all their eggs in the Cousins basket, as depraved as that sounds.

They are probably strategizing for one more DL and OL (in the 3rd rd of the draft) to 'ensure' we get back in the playoff hunt. Which is as far as their franchise vision extends.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Almost a zero chance we trade Cousins. Unsourced rumors have us in a frenzy.

Also, no matter what you think of Cousins, could you imagine this regime getting QB right?

On the other hand, it tracks that we would trade for a lesser QB, rather than identify, draft and develop one. That's not what we do.

Exactly. This is like our QBnon, a less realistic conspiracy theory than QAnon.

Its worse than unsourced rumors ... which may or may not have a minuscule particle of lucked-into-it truth.

This is made up sh*t / click bait, designed for fans of non-SB teams with nothing better to do.

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Before Cousins (Bradford was not a premeditated strategy for improvement), the last time this regime felt the urge to 'go for it' and address our QB situation ... (and why wouldn't they after a 2013 Ponder / Cassel / Freeman season) ... in 2014 they went full-throttle overdrive and anointed back-up Cassel the starter, drafted a LB at #9 and traded back in to the last pick of round 1 for Teddy. (unsourced rumors had Manziel as our target).

This regime has all their eggs in the Cousins basket, as depraved as that sounds.

They are probably strategizing for one more DL and OL (in the 3rd rd of the draft) to 'ensure' we get back in the playoff hunt. Which is as far as their franchise vision extends.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Almost a zero chance we trade Cousins. Unsourced rumors have us in a frenzy.

Also, no matter what you think of Cousins, could you imagine this regime getting QB right?

On the other hand, it tracks that we would trade for a lesser QB, rather than identify, draft and develop one. That's not what we do.

Exactly. This is like our QBnon, a less realistic conspiracy theory than QAnon.

Its worse than unsourced rumors ... which may or may not have a minuscule particle of lucked-into-it truth.

This is made up sh*t / click bait, designed for fans of non-SB teams with nothing better to do.

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Before Cousins (Bradford was not a premeditated strategy for improvement), the last time this regime felt the urge to 'go for it' and address our QB situation ... (and why wouldn't they after a 2013 Ponder / Cassel / Freeman season) ... in 2014 they went full-throttle overdrive and anointed back-up Cassel the starter, drafted a LB at #9 and traded back in to the last pick of round 1 for Teddy. (unsourced rumors had Manziel as our target).

This regime has all their eggs in the Cousins basket, as depraved as that sounds.

They are probably strategizing for one more DL and OL (in the 3rd rd of the draft) to 'ensure' we get back in the playoff hunt. Which is as far as their franchise vision extends.

The problem is that Spielman doesn't have the balls for a move that bold.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Almost a zero chance we trade Cousins. Unsourced rumors have us in a frenzy.

Also, no matter what you think of Cousins, could you imagine this regime getting QB right?

On the other hand, it tracks that we would trade for a lesser QB, rather than identify, draft and develop one. That's not what we do.

Exactly. This is like our QBnon, a less realistic conspiracy theory than QAnon.

Its worse than unsourced rumors ... which may or may not have a minuscule particle of lucked-into-it truth.

This is made up sh*t / click bait, designed for fans of non-SB teams with nothing better to do.

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Before Cousins (Bradford was not a premeditated strategy for improvement), the last time this regime felt the urge to 'go for it' and address our QB situation ... (and why wouldn't they after a 2013 Ponder / Cassel / Freeman season) ... in 2014 they went full-throttle overdrive and anointed back-up Cassel the starter, drafted a LB at #9 and traded back in to the last pick of round 1 for Teddy. (unsourced rumors had Manziel as our target).

This regime has all their eggs in the Cousins basket, as depraved as that sounds.

They are probably strategizing for one more DL and OL (in the 3rd rd of the draft) to 'ensure' we get back in the playoff hunt. Which is as far as their franchise vision extends.

LOL, thought the same. And the resident tin-foil hats/conspiracy theorists have been front and center in it. Say two of 40 usual posters or 5% which probably mirrors the hard core national base. Plus we have a poster who is big on the UFOs and aliens that we have in captivity.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Supposedly Houston wants two #1s, two #2s and two young (and obviously very good) defensive players.

Yep got to start somewhere. Sounds like a Hershel Walker Trade.

Except they gave up Hopkins for a lot less.

Sure. But WRs have nowhere near the value of QBs.

But they gave up Hopkins for a lot less than the Vikes gave up for Diggs who at the time of the trades was not generally considered Hopkins equal. That doesn't necessarily translate to how a Watson deal would play out, arguably the WR market had not been set at the time of the Hopkins trade, whereas now the QB market does appear to have been set.

The guy who made the Hopkins trade is no longer employed by Houston.

Are you worried the Vikings will get fleeced in a Cousins trade because they were in the Walker trade?

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Supposedly Houston wants two #1s, two #2s and two young (and obviously very good) defensive players.

Yep got to start somewhere. Sounds like a Hershel Walker Trade.

Except they gave up Hopkins for a lot less.

Sure. But WRs have nowhere near the value of QBs.

But they gave up Hopkins for a lot less than the Vikes gave up for Diggs who at the time of the trades was not generally considered Hopkins equal. That doesn't necessarily translate to how a Watson deal would play out, arguably the WR market had not been set at the time of the Hopkins trade, whereas now the QB market does appear to have been set.

The guy who made the Hopkins trade is no longer employed by Houston.

Are you worried the Vikings will get fleeced in a Cousins trade because they were in the Walker trade?