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Blockbuster Trade Proposal Sends Deshaun Watson to Vikings, Kirk Cousins to 49ers
Peter King's proposal would also give the Texans Jimmy Garoppolo, but it's a major longshot.
WILL RAGATZUPDATED:FEB 22, 2021ORIGINAL:FEB 22, 2021
As of now, the Deshaun Watson situation in Houston remains at a standstill. New Texans GM Nick Caserio isn't listening to offers for his superstar quarterback, but Watson hasn't changed his stance about not wanting to play for an organization led by Cal McNair and Jack Easterby.

So we wait, and the speculation continues. In his latest Football Morning in America column for Pro Football Talk, Peter King addressed Watson's future and came up with several blockbuster trade proposals involving the disgruntled QB. King created hypothetical two-team deals that would send Watson to the Panthers, Jets, and 49ers. But it's the last of four proposals that caught the eyes of Vikings fans.

King's final proposal, which he calls a "wing and a prayer," is a three-team QB swap that sends Watson to the Vikings, Kirk Cousins to the 49ers, and Jimmy Garoppolo to the Texans. It's incredibly unlikely for a number of reasons, but it's notable that someone like King –– one of the most plugged-in, respected NFL writers out there –– would even discuss it as a possibility.

Here's the proposal from King:

This is centered on the premise that San Francisco would not want to rip apart a team and a future, and might be willing to take a lesser deal for a quarterback Shanahan has long admired. And also that Caserio, in the heart of the draft room in 2014 when the Patriots made Garoppolo a second-round pick, would want to try again with Jimmy G. It’s a wing and a prayer, but fascinating to me.

Proposal: The Vikings send quarterback Kirk Cousins to San Francisco. The Niners send Garoppolo to Houston, if, of course, he’d waive his no-trade. The Texans send Watson to Minnesota. In return: the Niners send their first-round pick in 2021 (12th overall) to Houston, and they’re out. (So San Francisco would be trading Garoppolo and a one to Houston and getting Cousins with two years left on his contract.) The Vikings would send linebacker Anthony Barr and running back Alexander Mattison plus their first-round picks in 2021 (14th overall) and 2023, and second-round picks in 2022 and 2023 in exchange for Watson. Houston’s haul: Garoppolo, two ones this year, a one in 2023, and two second-round picks.


There's a lot to unpack here. Let's go team by team.

The Vikings get Watson for the price of the No. 14 overall pick this year, their 2023 first, second-rounders in 2022 and 2023, Cousins, Barr, and Mattison. Is that a big price to pay? Definitely. Is it worth it to land Watson? In my opinion, it absolutely is. Two firsts, two seconds, Cousins, an overpaid (albeit important) linebacker and a backup running back for a young top-five quarterback? When you consider the added bonuses of clearing the Cousins and Barr contracts off of the books, it's a deal that works out in the Vikings' favor. Minnesota hasn't made any calls about trading Cousins, but they would have to at least strongly consider this idea.

But, of course, that's not the biggest issue. The No. 1 roadblock is that there's been no indication Watson would waive his no-trade clause to come to Minnesota and play in a run-first offense. Even if Watson would approve, the 49ers and Texans would also have to be on board...and I'm skeptical of that.

The 49ers get Cousins for Garoppolo and the No. 12 overall pick this year in this proposal. Even if there's truth to the idea that Kyle Shanahan and SF would be interested in adding Cousins, would they really give up the 12th pick in what amounts to a Garoppolo-Cousins swap? I'm not sure the Niners do that (and I'm positive that their fanbase would be upset if they did, not that that matters).

The Texans lose Watson and get a return haul of Garoppolo, the No. 12 and 14 picks this year (which could potentially be packaged to move up for a QB), two players (Barr and Mattison), and three other picks from Minnesota: two seconds and a 2023 first. The Caserio-Garoppolo angle is an interesting one; Jimmy G's contract is a big one for a bridge QB, so maybe this is contingent on the Texans legitimately believing in Garoppolo. Three first-rounders and two seconds is a strong haul of picks.

In the end, there are many reasons why this is a major longshot. The Vikings aren't looking to move Cousins, and even if they're interested in Watson, he would also have to be interested in them. The 49ers may not want to give up the No. 12 pick for Cousins, and the Texans may not have any interest in the contracts of Garoppolo and Barr.

But hey, it's sure fun to talk about. With big names like King and Michael Lombardi continuing to mention the Cousins-49ers connection, that's something that must at least be taken seriously. And if the Vikings could land Watson in the process, they'd have to immediately be viewed as Super Bowl contenders in 2021 and beyond.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: kwheats

Blockbuster Trade Proposal Sends Deshaun Watson to Vikings, Kirk Cousins to 49ers
Peter King's proposal would also give the Texans Jimmy Garoppolo, but it's a major longshot.
WILL RAGATZUPDATED:FEB 22, 2021ORIGINAL:FEB 22, 2021
As of now, the Deshaun Watson situation in Houston remains at a standstill. New Texans GM Nick Caserio isn't listening to offers for his superstar quarterback, but Watson hasn't changed his stance about not wanting to play for an organization led by Cal McNair and Jack Easterby.

So we wait, and the speculation continues. In his latest Football Morning in America column for Pro Football Talk, Peter King addressed Watson's future and came up with several blockbuster trade proposals involving the disgruntled QB. King created hypothetical two-team deals that would send Watson to the Panthers, Jets, and 49ers. But it's the last of four proposals that caught the eyes of Vikings fans.

King's final proposal, which he calls a "wing and a prayer," is a three-team QB swap that sends Watson to the Vikings, Kirk Cousins to the 49ers, and Jimmy Garoppolo to the Texans. It's incredibly unlikely for a number of reasons, but it's notable that someone like King –– one of the most plugged-in, respected NFL writers out there –– would even discuss it as a possibility.

Here's the proposal from King:

This is centered on the premise that San Francisco would not want to rip apart a team and a future, and might be willing to take a lesser deal for a quarterback Shanahan has long admired. And also that Caserio, in the heart of the draft room in 2014 when the Patriots made Garoppolo a second-round pick, would want to try again with Jimmy G. It’s a wing and a prayer, but fascinating to me.

Proposal: The Vikings send quarterback Kirk Cousins to San Francisco. The Niners send Garoppolo to Houston, if, of course, he’d waive his no-trade. The Texans send Watson to Minnesota. In return: the Niners send their first-round pick in 2021 (12th overall) to Houston, and they’re out. (So San Francisco would be trading Garoppolo and a one to Houston and getting Cousins with two years left on his contract.) The Vikings would send linebacker Anthony Barr and running back Alexander Mattison plus their first-round picks in 2021 (14th overall) and 2023, and second-round picks in 2022 and 2023 in exchange for Watson. Houston’s haul: Garoppolo, two ones this year, a one in 2023, and two second-round picks.


There's a lot to unpack here. Let's go team by team.

The Vikings get Watson for the price of the No. 14 overall pick this year, their 2023 first, second-rounders in 2022 and 2023, Cousins, Barr, and Mattison. Is that a big price to pay? Definitely. Is it worth it to land Watson? In my opinion, it absolutely is. Two firsts, two seconds, Cousins, an overpaid (albeit important) linebacker and a backup running back for a young top-five quarterback? When you consider the added bonuses of clearing the Cousins and Barr contracts off of the books, it's a deal that works out in the Vikings' favor. Minnesota hasn't made any calls about trading Cousins, but they would have to at least strongly consider this idea.

But, of course, that's not the biggest issue. The No. 1 roadblock is that there's been no indication Watson would waive his no-trade clause to come to Minnesota and play in a run-first offense. Even if Watson would approve, the 49ers and Texans would also have to be on board...and I'm skeptical of that.

The 49ers get Cousins for Garoppolo and the No. 12 overall pick this year in this proposal. Even if there's truth to the idea that Kyle Shanahan and SF would be interested in adding Cousins, would they really give up the 12th pick in what amounts to a Garoppolo-Cousins swap? I'm not sure the Niners do that (and I'm positive that their fanbase would be upset if they did, not that that matters).

The Texans lose Watson and get a return haul of Garoppolo, the No. 12 and 14 picks this year (which could potentially be packaged to move up for a QB), two players (Barr and Mattison), and three other picks from Minnesota: two seconds and a 2023 first. The Caserio-Garoppolo angle is an interesting one; Jimmy G's contract is a big one for a bridge QB, so maybe this is contingent on the Texans legitimately believing in Garoppolo. Three first-rounders and two seconds is a strong haul of picks.

In the end, there are many reasons why this is a major longshot. The Vikings aren't looking to move Cousins, and even if they're interested in Watson, he would also have to be interested in them. The 49ers may not want to give up the No. 12 pick for Cousins, and the Texans may not have any interest in the contracts of Garoppolo and Barr.

But hey, it's sure fun to talk about. With big names like King and Michael Lombardi continuing to mention the Cousins-49ers connection, that's something that must at least be taken seriously. And if the Vikings could land Watson in the process, they'd have to immediately be viewed as Super Bowl contenders in 2021 and beyond.

That is such bullshit. This isn't a "trade proposal"; it is a speculative trade scenario, and a far-fetched fantasy at that. Why do people keep giving this bullshit so much oxygen.

It seems pretty clear to me that the most likely reading of the current situation is that the Vikings hierarchy thinks they're doing great; it's bad luck and the players letting us down that holds us back. They doubled down by extending Spielman and Zimmer for no real reason prior to this year, after they did an extension with Cousins that captured their payroll for the next couple of years. The deal above actually also has a $45 million hit for QBs in 2022. The fantasies for Garoppolo give us a higher cap hit for QB next year.

There is almost no scenario where Kirk Cousins isn't here next year. Accept it; move on.

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: kwheats

Blockbuster Trade Proposal Sends Deshaun Watson to Vikings, Kirk Cousins to 49ers
Peter King's proposal would also give the Texans Jimmy Garoppolo, but it's a major longshot.
WILL RAGATZUPDATED:FEB 22, 2021ORIGINAL:FEB 22, 2021
As of now, the Deshaun Watson situation in Houston remains at a standstill. New Texans GM Nick Caserio isn't listening to offers for his superstar quarterback, but Watson hasn't changed his stance about not wanting to play for an organization led by Cal McNair and Jack Easterby.

So we wait, and the speculation continues. In his latest Football Morning in America column for Pro Football Talk, Peter King addressed Watson's future and came up with several blockbuster trade proposals involving the disgruntled QB. King created hypothetical two-team deals that would send Watson to the Panthers, Jets, and 49ers. But it's the last of four proposals that caught the eyes of Vikings fans.

King's final proposal, which he calls a "wing and a prayer," is a three-team QB swap that sends Watson to the Vikings, Kirk Cousins to the 49ers, and Jimmy Garoppolo to the Texans. It's incredibly unlikely for a number of reasons, but it's notable that someone like King –– one of the most plugged-in, respected NFL writers out there –– would even discuss it as a possibility.

Here's the proposal from King:

This is centered on the premise that San Francisco would not want to rip apart a team and a future, and might be willing to take a lesser deal for a quarterback Shanahan has long admired. And also that Caserio, in the heart of the draft room in 2014 when the Patriots made Garoppolo a second-round pick, would want to try again with Jimmy G. It’s a wing and a prayer, but fascinating to me.

Proposal: The Vikings send quarterback Kirk Cousins to San Francisco. The Niners send Garoppolo to Houston, if, of course, he’d waive his no-trade. The Texans send Watson to Minnesota. In return: the Niners send their first-round pick in 2021 (12th overall) to Houston, and they’re out. (So San Francisco would be trading Garoppolo and a one to Houston and getting Cousins with two years left on his contract.) The Vikings would send linebacker Anthony Barr and running back Alexander Mattison plus their first-round picks in 2021 (14th overall) and 2023, and second-round picks in 2022 and 2023 in exchange for Watson. Houston’s haul: Garoppolo, two ones this year, a one in 2023, and two second-round picks.


There's a lot to unpack here. Let's go team by team.

The Vikings get Watson for the price of the No. 14 overall pick this year, their 2023 first, second-rounders in 2022 and 2023, Cousins, Barr, and Mattison. Is that a big price to pay? Definitely. Is it worth it to land Watson? In my opinion, it absolutely is. Two firsts, two seconds, Cousins, an overpaid (albeit important) linebacker and a backup running back for a young top-five quarterback? When you consider the added bonuses of clearing the Cousins and Barr contracts off of the books, it's a deal that works out in the Vikings' favor. Minnesota hasn't made any calls about trading Cousins, but they would have to at least strongly consider this idea.

But, of course, that's not the biggest issue. The No. 1 roadblock is that there's been no indication Watson would waive his no-trade clause to come to Minnesota and play in a run-first offense. Even if Watson would approve, the 49ers and Texans would also have to be on board...and I'm skeptical of that.

The 49ers get Cousins for Garoppolo and the No. 12 overall pick this year in this proposal. Even if there's truth to the idea that Kyle Shanahan and SF would be interested in adding Cousins, would they really give up the 12th pick in what amounts to a Garoppolo-Cousins swap? I'm not sure the Niners do that (and I'm positive that their fanbase would be upset if they did, not that that matters).

The Texans lose Watson and get a return haul of Garoppolo, the No. 12 and 14 picks this year (which could potentially be packaged to move up for a QB), two players (Barr and Mattison), and three other picks from Minnesota: two seconds and a 2023 first. The Caserio-Garoppolo angle is an interesting one; Jimmy G's contract is a big one for a bridge QB, so maybe this is contingent on the Texans legitimately believing in Garoppolo. Three first-rounders and two seconds is a strong haul of picks.

In the end, there are many reasons why this is a major longshot. The Vikings aren't looking to move Cousins, and even if they're interested in Watson, he would also have to be interested in them. The 49ers may not want to give up the No. 12 pick for Cousins, and the Texans may not have any interest in the contracts of Garoppolo and Barr.

But hey, it's sure fun to talk about. With big names like King and Michael Lombardi continuing to mention the Cousins-49ers connection, that's something that must at least be taken seriously. And if the Vikings could land Watson in the process, they'd have to immediately be viewed as Super Bowl contenders in 2021 and beyond.

That is such bullshit. This isn't a "trade proposal"; it is a speculative trade scenario, and a far-fetched fantasy at that. Why do people keep giving this bullshit so much oxygen.

It seems pretty clear to me that the most likely reading of the current situation is that the Vikings hierarchy thinks they're doing great; it's bad luck and the players letting us down that holds us back. They doubled down by extending Spielman and Zimmer for no real reason prior to this year, after they did an extension with Cousins that captured their payroll for the next couple of years. The deal above actually also has a $45 million hit for QBs in 2022. The fantasies for Garoppolo give us a higher cap hit for QB next year.

There is almost no scenario where Kirk Cousins isn't here next year. Accept it; move on.

Bob you use to be a lot more fun.....

I’ll get off your lawn now...😉

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Kirk Cousins' passer rating in the last two minutes of a half last season ... 63.7. When it mattered, he wasn't any good. Ranked about 30th among quarterbacks that threw at least 50 passes (+Roethlisberger, 49). Completion percentage dropped to 56.2%. Five TD's and seven interceptions. This is where the rubber meets the road.

Best Rating in Final Two Minutes of Half:

Aaron Rodgers, 134.6
Derek Car, 124.4
Mitch Trubisky, 116.8
Baker Mayfield, 110.4
Drew Brees, 109.8
Josh Allen, 107.3
Russell Wilson, 106.4
Deshaun Watson, 103.5
Patrick Mahomes, 101.1
Matthew Stafford, 100.5

In 2019 ... 73.7 rating. Again, not very good. Somewhere around 23rd in the league.

In 2017 with Case Keenum ... 114.9. Team went 13-3.

It gets worse the more a person digs into the numbers.

Kirk Cousins 1st half stats for 2020: 234 att 161 comp 68.8 % 1859 yards 7.9 avg 40 long 10 TDs 7 INTs

2nd half stats 2020: 278 att 185 comp 66.5 % 2375 yards 8.5 avg 71 long 25 TDs 6 INTs

Garbage time and shootouts with shitty teams like the Bears and the Lions are what puts Cousin's numbers into the realm of top-12

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

Also, we have had a QB with a very quick release and a bad offensive line before, Sam Bradford. It lead to very high completion percentage but poor offensive production. The line needs to improve especially in the interior. Interesting that we invested a lot of resources to get Hutchinson as a Guard, yet, the new regime seems to think that guards have to come from the lower rounds. Hutchinson was a first round pick, he also was tall (6'5") and big 310lbs+ which apparently goes against the grain of what the current front office seems to be looking in a guard.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Kirk Cousins' passer rating in the last two minutes of a half last season ... 63.7. When it mattered, he wasn't any good. Ranked about 30th among quarterbacks that threw at least 50 passes (+Roethlisberger, 49). Completion percentage dropped to 56.2%. Five TD's and seven interceptions. This is where the rubber meets the road.

Best Rating in Final Two Minutes of Half:

Aaron Rodgers, 134.6
Derek Car, 124.4
Mitch Trubisky, 116.8
Baker Mayfield, 110.4
Drew Brees, 109.8
Josh Allen, 107.3
Russell Wilson, 106.4
Deshaun Watson, 103.5
Patrick Mahomes, 101.1
Matthew Stafford, 100.5

In 2019 ... 73.7 rating. Again, not very good. Somewhere around 23rd in the league.

In 2017 with Case Keenum ... 114.9. Team went 13-3.

It gets worse the more a person digs into the numbers.

Kirk Cousins 1st half stats for 2020: 234 att 161 comp 68.8 % 1859 yards 7.9 avg 40 long 10 TDs 7 INTs

2nd half stats 2020: 278 att 185 comp 66.5 % 2375 yards 8.5 avg 71 long 25 TDs 6 INTs

Garbage time and shootouts with shitty teams like the Bears and the Lions are what puts Cousin's numbers into the realm of top-12

COUSINS IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Kirk Cousins' passer rating in the last two minutes of a half last season ... 63.7. When it mattered, he wasn't any good. Ranked about 30th among quarterbacks that threw at least 50 passes (+Roethlisberger, 49). Completion percentage dropped to 56.2%. Five TD's and seven interceptions. This is where the rubber meets the road.

Best Rating in Final Two Minutes of Half:

Aaron Rodgers, 134.6
Derek Car, 124.4
Mitch Trubisky, 116.8
Baker Mayfield, 110.4
Drew Brees, 109.8
Josh Allen, 107.3
Russell Wilson, 106.4
Deshaun Watson, 103.5
Patrick Mahomes, 101.1
Matthew Stafford, 100.5

In 2019 ... 73.7 rating. Again, not very good. Somewhere around 23rd in the league.

In 2017 with Case Keenum ... 114.9. Team went 13-3.

It gets worse the more a person digs into the numbers.

Kirk Cousins 1st half stats for 2020: 234 att 161 comp 68.8 % 1859 yards 7.9 avg 40 long 10 TDs 7 INTs

2nd half stats 2020: 278 att 185 comp 66.5 % 2375 yards 8.5 avg 71 long 25 TDs 6 INTs

Garbage time and shootouts with shitty teams like the Bears and the Lions are what puts Cousin's numbers into the realm of top-12

COUSINS IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!

Cousins had better numbers against shitty defenses then he did against good ones. What the hell does that prove? Could it have had anything to do with Jefferson not being in the lineup for the first two games. That was also the stretch when the Vikings were playing musical chairs at RG with Elf and Samia. The second half is also when Smith and Conklin were incorporated into the offense.

Bolding Cousins' first half TD to Int is not the AHA moment you think it is.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Kirk Cousins' passer rating in the last two minutes of a half last season ... 63.7. When it mattered, he wasn't any good. Ranked about 30th among quarterbacks that threw at least 50 passes (+Roethlisberger, 49). Completion percentage dropped to 56.2%. Five TD's and seven interceptions. This is where the rubber meets the road.

Best Rating in Final Two Minutes of Half:

Aaron Rodgers, 134.6
Derek Car, 124.4
Mitch Trubisky, 116.8
Baker Mayfield, 110.4
Drew Brees, 109.8
Josh Allen, 107.3
Russell Wilson, 106.4
Deshaun Watson, 103.5
Patrick Mahomes, 101.1
Matthew Stafford, 100.5

In 2019 ... 73.7 rating. Again, not very good. Somewhere around 23rd in the league.

In 2017 with Case Keenum ... 114.9. Team went 13-3.

It gets worse the more a person digs into the numbers.

Kirk Cousins 1st half stats for 2020: 234 att 161 comp 68.8 % 1859 yards 7.9 avg 40 long 10 TDs 7 INTs

2nd half stats 2020: 278 att 185 comp 66.5 % 2375 yards 8.5 avg 71 long 25 TDs 6 INTs

Garbage time and shootouts with shitty teams like the Bears and the Lions are what puts Cousin's numbers into the realm of top-12

COUSINS IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!

Cousins had better numbers against shitty defenses then he did against good ones. What the hell does that prove? Could it have had anything to do with Jefferson not being in the lineup for the first two games. That was also the stretch when the Vikings were playing musical chairs at RG with Elf and Samia. The second half is also when Smith and Conklin were incorporated into the offense.

Bolding Cousins' first half TD to Int is not the AHA moment you think it is.

First halves of games, not first half of the season.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Kirk Cousins' passer rating in the last two minutes of a half last season ... 63.7. When it mattered, he wasn't any good. Ranked about 30th among quarterbacks that threw at least 50 passes (+Roethlisberger, 49). Completion percentage dropped to 56.2%. Five TD's and seven interceptions. This is where the rubber meets the road.

Best Rating in Final Two Minutes of Half:

Aaron Rodgers, 134.6
Derek Car, 124.4
Mitch Trubisky, 116.8
Baker Mayfield, 110.4
Drew Brees, 109.8
Josh Allen, 107.3
Russell Wilson, 106.4
Deshaun Watson, 103.5
Patrick Mahomes, 101.1
Matthew Stafford, 100.5

In 2019 ... 73.7 rating. Again, not very good. Somewhere around 23rd in the league.

In 2017 with Case Keenum ... 114.9. Team went 13-3.

It gets worse the more a person digs into the numbers.

Kirk Cousins 1st half stats for 2020: 234 att 161 comp 68.8 % 1859 yards 7.9 avg 40 long 10 TDs 7 INTs

2nd half stats 2020: 278 att 185 comp 66.5 % 2375 yards 8.5 avg 71 long 25 TDs 6 INTs

Garbage time and shootouts with shitty teams like the Bears and the Lions are what puts Cousin's numbers into the realm of top-12

COUSINS IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!

Cousins had better numbers against shitty defenses then he did against good ones. What the hell does that prove? Could it have had anything to do with Jefferson not being in the lineup for the first two games. That was also the stretch when the Vikings were playing musical chairs at RG with Elf and Samia. The second half is also when Smith and Conklin were incorporated into the offense.

Bolding Cousins' first half TD to Int is not the AHA moment you think it is.

First halves of games, not first half of the season.

Okay. So the fact that Cousins moved the ball and put points on the board when the team is behind is somehow a negative. Cousins and the offense kept the Vikings in a lot of games because they were putting up points almost as fast as the defense could hemorrhage them. Also when you are behind in the second half, teams pin their ears back and go after your QB because they know you have to pass.

Whether it's first and second half of a season or a game, this just isn't the AHA moment you want it to be.

Let's be honest. If Cousins was making $25M a year or less over his contract, the bitching about him would be about 25% of what it is now.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Piss poor analogy. Talk to bohum about the proper use of it. The Vikings offered what they offered. I'm not going to evaluate Cousins on field performance based on him not being stupid enough to reject it.

BTW, his rank in QB salary is pretty much in line with his QB ranking.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Piss poor analogy. Talk to bohum about the proper use of it. The Vikings offered what they offered. I'm not going to evaluate Cousins on field performance based on him not being stupid enough to reject it.

BTW, his rank in QB salary is pretty much in line with his QB ranking.

Maybe you misunderstood me. I was agreeing that the bitching would be way less from the 'casual fan crowd' if he were paid less. That notwithstanding, I'm still providing what I believe to be some telling and not very impressive situational stats. A true #4 offense shouldn't be failing to score and take leads in the first half of games.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Piss poor analogy. Talk to bohum about the proper use of it. The Vikings offered what they offered. I'm not going to evaluate Cousins on field performance based on him not being stupid enough to reject it.

BTW, his rank in QB salary is pretty much in line with his QB ranking.

Maybe you misunderstood me. I was agreeing that the bitching would be way less from the 'casual fan crowd' if he were paid less. That notwithstanding, I'm still providing what I believe to be some telling and not very impressive situational stats. A true #4 offense shouldn't be failing to score and take leads in the first half of games.

OK let's factor in that Dalvin Cook has 11 first half TD and 5 second half TD. Looks to me like the offense is still putting points on the board in the first half. They're just scoring them by different means. Also consider the Vikings start out each game by trying to eat as much clock as possible in the process of scoring points. Since the defense invariably puts them in a hole, the offense gets opened up in the second half and Cousins produces points at a higher rate with more emphasis on passing and while operating behind the shittiest pass protection in football.

I repeat. This is not the AHA moment you want us to believe it is. You really aren't making a compelling case by focusing on 1st and 2nd half TD & Int with no context.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Kirk Cousins' passer rating in the last two minutes of a half last season ... 63.7. When it mattered, he wasn't any good. Ranked about 30th among quarterbacks that threw at least 50 passes (+Roethlisberger, 49). Completion percentage dropped to 56.2%. Five TD's and seven interceptions. This is where the rubber meets the road.

Best Rating in Final Two Minutes of Half:

Aaron Rodgers, 134.6
Derek Car, 124.4
Mitch Trubisky, 116.8
Baker Mayfield, 110.4
Drew Brees, 109.8
Josh Allen, 107.3
Russell Wilson, 106.4
Deshaun Watson, 103.5
Patrick Mahomes, 101.1
Matthew Stafford, 100.5

In 2019 ... 73.7 rating. Again, not very good. Somewhere around 23rd in the league.

In 2017 with Case Keenum ... 114.9. Team went 13-3.

It gets worse the more a person digs into the numbers.

Kirk Cousins 1st half stats for 2020: 234 att 161 comp 68.8 % 1859 yards 7.9 avg 40 long 10 TDs 7 INTs

2nd half stats 2020: 278 att 185 comp 66.5 % 2375 yards 8.5 avg 71 long 25 TDs 6 INTs

Garbage time and shootouts with shitty teams like the Bears and the Lions are what puts Cousin's numbers into the realm of top-12

COUSINS IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!

Cousins had better numbers against shitty defenses then he did against good ones. What the hell does that prove? Could it have had anything to do with Jefferson not being in the lineup for the first two games. That was also the stretch when the Vikings were playing musical chairs at RG with Elf and Samia. The second half is also when Smith and Conklin were incorporated into the offense.

Bolding Cousins' first half TD to Int is not the AHA moment you think it is.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I would trade for Watson in a heartbeat, as I have given up on Kirk.

Watson offers mobility, money situation is the same, but you have a better QB that is much younger.

The trick would be to put together a good defense and OL, you have the WRs and RB. Improve the pass blocking by getting an OL coach that is known for good pass blocking lines. Then you could plug in a couple of 4th round guards, make Cleveland a pass blocker, or find a mid level FA G that gets coached up to being good.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: marty

I would trade for Watson in a heartbeat, as I have given up on Kirk.

Watson offers mobility, money situation is the same, but you have a better QB that is much younger.

The trick would be to put together a good defense and OL, you have the WRs and RB. Improve the pass blocking by getting an OL coach that is known for good pass blocking lines. Then you could plug in a couple of 4th round guards, make Cleveland a pass blocker, or find a mid level FA G that gets coached up to being good.

If we have to improve our OL for Watson to be an improvement, then why get him?